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22 Jan 2014, 12:19 pm

Fnord wrote:
It seems to me that if the Postal Workers' Union is so concerned about losing jobs to a store chain, then the PWU should consider either:

(a) Doing more work;
(b) Doing the work better;
(c) Doing the work faster;
(d) Working for less pay; or
(e) All of the above.

Instead, these goons want to "muscle in" on an already profitable, efficient, and private enterprise, and enforce their rules "or else".

:roll: Unions ... PFEH!



Pressure to do this caused people to GO POSTAL... if you know what I mean.
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23 Jan 2014, 8:38 am

Fnord wrote:
Link: Staples' Mini-Post Offices Draw Union Ire.

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Workers are concerned the experimental locations -- staffed by Staples employees, not Postal Service employees -- will lead to the closure of traditional post offices and the loss of jobs with good wages and benefits. In the 1980s, the Postal Service and Sears struck an arrangement similar to the one at Staples today. Postal unions protested and the program was eventually canceled.

"We do not have any problem with the people of this country getting expanded access to postal service. We are willing to support this program as long as it's staffed with United States Postal Service employees." -- Mark Dimondstein, president of the American Postal Workers Union.

In other words, "You can run your business, as long as we run it for you."

:roll: Effing effed-up unions ...


If they really need to cut expenses, they should cut mail delivery from six days a week down to one day a week. Who sends letters these days anyway? If the Postal Service disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn't effect my life one bit.



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23 Jan 2014, 8:45 am

Max000 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Link: Staples' Mini-Post Offices Draw Union Ire.
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Workers are concerned the experimental locations -- staffed by Staples employees, not Postal Service employees -- will lead to the closure of traditional post offices and the loss of jobs with good wages and benefits. In the 1980s, the Postal Service and Sears struck an arrangement similar to the one at Staples today. Postal unions protested and the program was eventually canceled. "We do not have any problem with the people of this country getting expanded access to postal service. We are willing to support this program as long as it's staffed with United States Postal Service employees." -- Mark Dimondstein, president of the American Postal Workers Union.
In other words, "You can run your business, as long as we run it for you." :roll: Effing effed-up unions ...
If they really need to cut expenses, they should cut mail delivery from six days a week down to one day a week. Who sends letters these days anyway? If the Postal Service disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn't effect my life one bit.

All they ever deliver is bills and adverts. I get and send my packages through UPS, Fedex, and friends traveling by plane.



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23 Jan 2014, 8:49 am

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There is a mountain of empirical evidence to show that any business that unions touch, ends up flirting with bankruptcy.


Yeah, damn unions. If it they didn't exist, corporations could pay workers $1 an hour and provide zero benefits. Get rid of the damn minimum wage too. More profits for big business. They aren't rich enough yet.



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23 Jan 2014, 8:55 am

Fnord wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Link: Staples' Mini-Post Offices Draw Union Ire.
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Workers are concerned the experimental locations -- staffed by Staples employees, not Postal Service employees -- will lead to the closure of traditional post offices and the loss of jobs with good wages and benefits. In the 1980s, the Postal Service and Sears struck an arrangement similar to the one at Staples today. Postal unions protested and the program was eventually canceled. "We do not have any problem with the people of this country getting expanded access to postal service. We are willing to support this program as long as it's staffed with United States Postal Service employees." -- Mark Dimondstein, president of the American Postal Workers Union.
In other words, "You can run your business, as long as we run it for you." :roll: Effing effed-up unions ...
If they really need to cut expenses, they should cut mail delivery from six days a week down to one day a week. Who sends letters these days anyway? If the Postal Service disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn't effect my life one bit.

All they ever deliver is bills and adverts. I get and send my packages through UPS, Fedex, and friends traveling by plane.


Exactly, and why can't bills and ads be all delivered on the same day? Plus the vast majority of people get their bills paperless these days, and pay online. So even bills aren't an issue.



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23 Jan 2014, 9:05 am

MoonGateClimber wrote:
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Maybe if management treated their work force like human beings, rather than sides of beef, there wouldn't be unions.


Since the postal workers belong to a public sector union, management is the US government, and their generous pay and pension packages come from our tax dollars. WE are the ones being treated like sides of beef.


The USPS is a government owned for profit corporation. It doesn't receive tax money. Just saying.



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23 Jan 2014, 11:08 am

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I'm surprised they haven't found a way to do away with UPS and Fedex.


How do you think the government itself gets its material delivered on time?

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In some areas, the USPS contracts out the delivery of SS benefits and food assistance to UPS as a cost saving measure, which I think is hilarious.


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23 Jan 2014, 12:35 pm

Max000 wrote:
If they really need to cut expenses, they should cut mail delivery from six days a week down to one day a week. Who sends letters these days anyway? If the Postal Service disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn't effect my life one bit.


Many businesses highly depend upon mail delivery. And as incredible as it may seem, not everyone has a computer to send emails! LOL



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23 Jan 2014, 2:39 pm

mikassyna wrote:
Max000 wrote:
If they really need to cut expenses, they should cut mail delivery from six days a week down to one day a week. Who sends letters these days anyway? If the Postal Service disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn't effect my life one bit.


Many businesses highly depend upon mail delivery. And as incredible as it may seem, not everyone has a computer to send emails! LOL


Then those businesses and those people can get a post office box, and pick up their mail everyday. But mail service is just not important enough any more to justify six day a week delivery.

What we really need is a long postal strike, to show people that we don't need a postal service.



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23 Jan 2014, 3:29 pm

Max000 wrote:
Then those businesses and those people can get a post office box, and pick up their mail everyday. But mail service is just not important enough any more to justify six day a week delivery.

What we really need is a long postal strike, to show people that we don't need a postal service.


Then you would have to hire more people anyway due to the sheer bulk of deliveries. I agree the system is inefficient as it is, but I don't believe that cutting service down to one day per week is a viable solution.



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23 Jan 2014, 3:49 pm

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Yeah, damn unions. If it they didn't exist, corporations could pay workers $1 an hour and provide zero benefits. Get rid of the damn minimum wage too. More profits for big business. They aren't rich enough yet.

You do realize that the postal workers belong to a public sector union, don't you? So, it's sadly ironic that the cartoonishly evil character you paint of corporate America, is actually the government. Regarding today's private sector unions then, what are the mandates of the NLRB and the Dept. of Labor? To enforce labor laws or surf the web for porn? Today's unions exist for one purpose, to perpetuate their own existence.

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The USPS is a government owned for profit corporation. It doesn't receive tax money. Just saying.

That’s wrong, the USPS is revenue neutral, which is moot anyway since they lost $5 billion in 2013, which is why the Senate passed a bill giving the USPS an $11 billion cash infusion. If they didn’t use taxpayer money then what did they use? I already posted this stuff before!! !



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23 Jan 2014, 4:39 pm

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That’s wrong, the USPS is revenue neutral, which is moot anyway since they lost $5 billion in 2013, which is why the Senate passed a bill giving the USPS an $11 billion cash infusion. If they didn’t use taxpayer money then what did they use? I already posted this stuff before!! !


I'm pretty sure it's taxpayer money that is pre-funding the USPS pensions for the next 75 years per mandate! :evil:



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23 Jan 2014, 7:11 pm

MoonGateClimber wrote:
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Yeah, damn unions. If it they didn't exist, corporations could pay workers $1 an hour and provide zero benefits. Get rid of the damn minimum wage too. More profits for big business. They aren't rich enough yet.

You do realize that the postal workers belong to a public sector union, don't you? So, it's sadly ironic that the cartoonishly evil character you paint of corporate America, is actually the government. Regarding today's private sector unions then, what are the mandates of the NLRB and the Dept. of Labor? To enforce labor laws or surf the web for porn? Today's unions exist for one purpose, to perpetuate their own existence.

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The USPS is a government owned for profit corporation. It doesn't receive tax money. Just saying.

That’s wrong, the USPS is revenue neutral, which is moot anyway since they lost $5 billion in 2013, which is why the Senate passed a bill giving the USPS an $11 billion cash infusion. If they didn’t use taxpayer money then what did they use? I already posted this stuff before!! !


That is correct. They don't get any tax money, was my point.

And the $11 billion was a refund of overpayments to the pension. That was USPS's own money, not tax payer money.



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23 Jan 2014, 7:35 pm

mikassyna wrote:
MoonGateClimber wrote:
That’s wrong, the USPS is revenue neutral, which is moot anyway since they lost $5 billion in 2013, which is why the Senate passed a bill giving the USPS an $11 billion cash infusion. If they didn’t use taxpayer money then what did they use? I already posted this stuff before!! !


I'm pretty sure it's taxpayer money that is pre-funding the USPS pensions for the next 75 years per mandate! :evil:


It is not. It's USPS money that is paying for the pensions. The USPS makes payments to the Federal Government to cover those costs.