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26 Feb 2014, 2:44 pm

I've been following this for quite a while now, and it's a big concern. Looking at what kind of groups are gaining popularity over there, I don't see this ending too well and/or soon. Sadly the news coverage of it here in the UK is awful, so I'm relying on RT, they seem to have it covered pretty nicely.


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26 Feb 2014, 3:14 pm

I've just heard on CNN how Putin seems to be mobilizing the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. If Russia takes military action, I have to wonder what the US response will be.


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26 Feb 2014, 4:37 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
I've just heard on CNN how Putin seems to be mobilizing the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. If Russia takes military action, I have to wonder what the US response will be.


Remember the US response when Georgia was invaded a few years ago? Probably not, no one does. Because the response most likely was just an angry letter that the Russians threw in the bin. Parts of Georgia are still occupied years later and no one cares.
The EU response will be similar, Russia is more important for trade than Ukraine so if things get really bad the Ukrainians are out of luck. I don't think a military conflict is likely though.



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26 Feb 2014, 4:40 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
I've just heard on CNN how Putin seems to be mobilizing the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. If Russia takes military action, I have to wonder what the US response will be.


Remember the US response when Georgia was invaded a few years ago? Probably not, no one does. Because the response most likely was just an angry letter that the Russians threw in the bin. Parts of Georgia are still occupied years later and no one cares.
The EU response will be similar, Russia is more important for trade than Ukraine so if things get really bad the Ukrainians are out of luck. I don't think a military conflict is likely though.


Actually, I do remember the Russians occupying Georgia.


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26 Feb 2014, 4:44 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I've just heard on CNN how Putin seems to be mobilizing the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. If Russia takes military action, I have to wonder what the US response will be.


Remember the US response when Georgia was invaded a few years ago? Probably not, no one does. Because the response most likely was just an angry letter that the Russians threw in the bin. Parts of Georgia are still occupied years later and no one cares.
The EU response will be similar, Russia is more important for trade than Ukraine so if things get really bad the Ukrainians are out of luck. I don't think a military conflict is likely though.


Actually, I do remember the Russians occupying Georgia.


But do you remember the US response? :D
It was probably something along the lines of "we are concerned about events in Georgia, and we hope the Russians reconsider". Which of course they didn't, since they built up a resistance to criticism.



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26 Feb 2014, 4:46 pm

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I've just heard on CNN how Putin seems to be mobilizing the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. If Russia takes military action, I have to wonder what the US response will be.


Remember the US response when Georgia was invaded a few years ago? Probably not, no one does. Because the response most likely was just an angry letter that the Russians threw in the bin. Parts of Georgia are still occupied years later and no one cares.
The EU response will be similar, Russia is more important for trade than Ukraine so if things get really bad the Ukrainians are out of luck. I don't think a military conflict is likely though.


Actually, I do remember the Russians occupying Georgia.


But do you remember the US response? :D
It was probably something along the lines of "we are concerned about events in Georgia, and we hope the Russians reconsider". Which of course they didn't, since they built up a resistance to criticism.


Yeah, I remember that, too.


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26 Feb 2014, 4:52 pm

I don't remember exactly what was said back then, just that the general response of the international community was some condemnation. I think these days people in the US and EU are very much against any military conflict (like Syria).



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26 Feb 2014, 5:24 pm

For pretty decent coverage of the events in Ukraine try the Euronews channel, much better than the BBC or Sky News and somewhat more balanced than RT (Russia Today).


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26 Feb 2014, 10:36 pm

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For pretty decent coverage of the events in Ukraine try the Euronews channel, much better than the BBC or Sky News and somewhat more balanced than RT (Russia Today).


What is balance?



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27 Feb 2014, 8:33 pm

The Russians did not occupy Georgia, they moved into parts of it to defend South Ossetia and its capital Tskhinvali which had been attacked with GRAD rockets by the Georgian army. They could have rolled into Tblisi and taken Saakashvili in chains but they did not do so. Had the Americans been in the Russians' place they surely would have done it.

The Russians had to defend South Ossetia after the 2004 fiasco in Adjaria. Saakashvili really though he could smash the autonomous areas with full NATO blessing.

A Nazi is chief prosecutor of Ukraine under the new regime and moreover, Victoria Nuland's choice as prime minister has been given this post and he introduced his government with the words "Welcome to Hell".



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27 Feb 2014, 8:42 pm

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The Russians did not occupy Georgia, they moved into parts of it to defend South Ossetia and its capital Tskhinvali which had been attacked with GRAD rockets by the Georgian army. They could have rolled into Tblisi and taken Saakashvili in chains but they did not do so. Had the Americans been in the Russians' place they surely would have done it.

The Russians had to defend South Ossetia after the 2004 fiasco in Adjaria. Saakashvili really though he could smash the autonomous areas with full NATO blessing.

A Nazi is chief prosecutor of Ukraine under the new regime and moreover, Victoria Nuland's choice as prime minister has been given this post and he introduced his government with the words "Welcome to Hell".


Source?


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27 Feb 2014, 8:57 pm

beneficii wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
The Russians did not occupy Georgia, they moved into parts of it to defend South Ossetia and its capital Tskhinvali which had been attacked with GRAD rockets by the Georgian army. They could have rolled into Tblisi and taken Saakashvili in chains but they did not do so. Had the Americans been in the Russians' place they surely would have done it.

The Russians had to defend South Ossetia after the 2004 fiasco in Adjaria. Saakashvili really though he could smash the autonomous areas with full NATO blessing.

A Nazi is chief prosecutor of Ukraine under the new regime and moreover, Victoria Nuland's choice as prime minister has been given this post and he introduced his government with the words "Welcome to Hell".


Source?



[Esplora il significato del termine: La procura generale ucraina ha emesso un mandato d’arresto internazionale per l’ex presidente ucraino Viktor Yanukovich per «uccisione di massa». Lo fa sapere il nuovo procuratore generale Oleg Makhnitski, esponente del partito nazionalista Svoboda. ] La procura generale ucraina ha emesso un mandato d’arresto internazionale per l’ex presidente ucraino Viktor Yanukovich per «uccisione di massa». Lo fa sapere il nuovo procuratore generale Oleg Makhnitski, esponente del partito nazionalista Svoboda.


"...the new prosecutor general Oleg Makhinitski, member of the nationalist part Svoboda..."

It seems the only English media covering this is Breitbart(!)...and Town Hall(!)...



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27 Feb 2014, 9:18 pm

Just me, but I wouldn't trust Breitbart alive or dead.


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27 Feb 2014, 9:37 pm

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Just me, but I wouldn't trust Breitbart alive or dead.


Oleg Makhinitski, of the neo-Nazi Svoboda Party, is the prosecutor-general, he has been mentioned in many articles where he threatens witch hunts but usually they omit his party affiliation. I think it's a shame that Breitbart seems to be the only English-language place that actually had an article where they focused on the fact that this Nazi is prosecutor-general... That Italian source by the way is very clear about how he was named Prosecutor-General and he is from the Svoboda Party. I saw something else where it says that he sacked a prosecutor in some oblast... clearly he plans to clean house and Nazify the justice system.



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28 Feb 2014, 12:59 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Just me, but I wouldn't trust Breitbart alive or dead.


Oleg Makhinitski, of the neo-Nazi Svoboda Party, is the prosecutor-general, he has been mentioned in many articles where he threatens witch hunts but usually they omit his party affiliation. I think it's a shame that Breitbart seems to be the only English-language place that actually had an article where they focused on the fact that this Nazi is prosecutor-general... That Italian source by the way is very clear about how he was named Prosecutor-General and he is from the Svoboda Party. I saw something else where it says that he sacked a prosecutor in some oblast... clearly he plans to clean house and Nazify the justice system.


That's rather scary.


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28 Feb 2014, 4:13 am

xenon13,

Thanks.

Meanwhile there has been a major escalation of the crisis, with possible Russian soldiers occupying areas in Crimea:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... t/5890691/


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