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17 Mar 2014, 6:08 pm

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That doesn't make it right to participate in.[/b]


As far as I am concerned, these people are not our responsibility. They are not our citizens.


That's where we disagree . . . I see a larger human community.


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18 Mar 2014, 6:55 am

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think UKIP isn't going to do well because of the "departure" of Godfrey Bloom.


Bloom was a liability. He is still a member of UKIP and he is supporting Jane Collins and Amjad Bashir get elected in Yorkshire.


I take it you don't want them to win if this "liability to the party" is still involved.

Numerous sources had Bloom resigning or kicked out of the party. This is news to me.

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I don't think they're different on the issues of climate change, gay marriage, or defence spending


UKIP is very non-interventionist when it comes to defence. The party's attitude is basically that we should strengthen our national defence capabilities, but otherwise keep out of foreign conflicts (unlike the U.S. Republicans). We want to get out of Afghanistan for example, and only be involved in defending our own territory.


It is still a very large increase. National defense from what, exactly? Given the science illiteracy and conspiracy hypotheses of the party, it's probably preparation for the Chimera if they thaw out.

[ADDITION: The UK spends $60,000,000,000 USD on defense spending already according to SIPRI - 4th most in the world. Basically, you're saying it is not enough, and it is not mismanaged.]

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The party supported civil partnerships when they were proposed.


They also vote-whored when they were the last party to oppose gay marriage "to protect the churches."

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As for warble gloaming - I find that the AGW types have kind of lost touch with reality. For me, the evidence is not there and neither is it for UKIP.


Which is exactly why people should be concerned for science education in the UK if UKIP got any significant pull.



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18 Mar 2014, 7:43 am

iBlockhead wrote:
I take it you don't want them to win if this "liability to the party" is still involved.


Godfrey Bloom was kicked out of the UKIP group of MEPs in the European Parliament (so cannot refer to himself as a UKIP MEP), was removed from the list of UKIP candidates for next month's European elections, and was also stripped of his portfolio as Defence Spokesman. He remains a party member of UKIP and is supporting Jane Collins' bid to get elected for UKIP next month over in Yorkshire.

Some other people in UKIP did not make the grade this time for the parliamentary elections. Mike Nattrass left the party altogether when he saw that he was not on the list.

I have read Bloom's autobiography; I used to find him quite funny, now he just comes across as overbearing.

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It is still a very large increase. National defense from what, exactly?


From any threats that may arise. Defence is an insurance policy. We've had a huge scaling down of our military capabilities in that last couple of decades as it's been integrated into the EU. We want to reverse that.

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They also vote-whored when they were the last party to oppose gay marriage "to protect the churches."


No, UKIP opposed gay marriage out of a real fear that the European court would decree that churches would be forced to hold gay marriage against their will.



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18 Mar 2014, 11:57 am

iBlockhead, you might find this interview today (in the gay magazine Pink News) rather interesting:

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Nigel Farage confirms that UKIP will not campaign to abolish same-sex marriage

In January, we invited PinkNews readers to submit their questions to UKIP leader Nigel Farage. The overwhelming subject mentioned was whether he would abolish same-sex marriage. Replying “no”, Mr Farage pointed towards the possible implementation of something similar to the French system which requires a civil ceremony with the option of a religious one afterwards.

He also talked about cutting foreign aid to countries with questionable human rights records and the “gay marriage caused the floods” fiasco.

We gave readers the chance to ask questions on wider policy issues extending further than the EU and marriage, for example the NHS and education system.



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19 Mar 2014, 10:06 am

EDIT: Double post. Apparently if "Could not obtain information" comes up, the post still goes through.



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19 Mar 2014, 10:07 am

Tequila wrote:
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It is still a very large increase. National defense from what, exactly?


From any threats that may arise. Defence is an insurance policy. We've had a huge scaling down of our military capabilities in that last couple of decades as it's been integrated into the EU. We want to reverse that.


I believe UKIP's policy states for a 40% increase of the current level, which would put the spending in USD a little less than Russia's. It is strange that the $60B could not be managed better if the UK left Iraq and (should be able to) leave Afghanistan later this year.

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No, UKIP opposed gay marriage out of a real fear that the European court would decree that churches would be forced to hold gay marriage against their will.


I am combining the Pink News article in this response. Apparently Farage said the answers were not his words:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/19/nigel-farage-appears-to-u-turn-again-on-same-sex-marriage/

If UKIP used its opposition of gay marriage as a way to gain voters dissatisfied with Cameron's policies, why would you now say you won't work to repeal it when it happens?