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25 Apr 2014, 2:11 pm

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As an American citizen, I would like to apologize to the people of the world for the actions of our government. It's worth noting that our congress has an approval rating of 13% last time I checked.

Our presidents approval rating can be tracked [url=: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ex_history[url=http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history]here[/url]]here.[/url]

As you can see, we don't agree with what's being done either. The problem is that campaigns are extremely expensive. As such, politicians in the U.S. need cooperate sponsors to get started. Of course, that means that they serve corporate interests more often than not ... and of course those don't always reflect the wants and needs of the people.

So, to the people of all of the countries that are occupied by our current imperialist plutocracy, please understand that we don't like it either.


I know Obama is not doing a stellar job but a Rasmussen poll is hardly going to reflect an unbiased picture of his approval Rasmussen is one of only two polls who consistently reported Romney as being in the lead during the last Presidential election.

I don't want US troops to be in Poland, or in the majority of the places we currently occupy. I honestly believe sometimes the government only keeps our troops scattered around the world because it is a form of employment as much as it is defense. As soon as you start talking about cutting military, individual members of Congress will catch the dickens from state residents because the military is a job, and income to people.


I agree with you. I can't think of a single truly unbiased source for that kind of information though. They all have their own political biases just as the individuals that run them (and the ones writing in this thread, you and I included).

I also recognize that there are a lot of people wo depend on the military for employment. I once heard from an army recruiter that for every soldier they put on the ground, they have seven people working "support roles" that range from logistics to maintainance. Also, the more soldiers there are out there, the more clothes, weapons and other equipment is needed. After all, we also have to consider the employees of companies like BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin.

I'm not saying we should be downsizing the military. That just wouldn't be economically practical. However, I do believe that most people are upset by the sight of foriegn troops on their streets. If I saw Chinese or Russian soldiers in my town, I'd probably start making IEDs in hopes of sending them home. Why should I expect other people to behave differently?



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25 Apr 2014, 4:01 pm

Apparently our Lord Protector Obama needs his war.

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25 Apr 2014, 8:49 pm

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Apparently our Lord Protector Obama needs his war.

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Obama isn't the one invading Ukraine, and potentially threatening NATO allies.


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28 Apr 2014, 6:57 am

Isn't there an entire European Union that should be handling this, seeing as they're all right next door?



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28 Apr 2014, 8:23 am

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Isn't there an entire European Union that should be handling this, seeing as they're all right next door?


The EU is very dependent on Russia for their energy. What do you suggest they do?



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28 Apr 2014, 9:07 am

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Isn't there an entire European Union that should be handling this, seeing as they're all right next door?


The EU is very dependent on Russia for their energy. What do you suggest they do?


Have they tried aggressive diplomacy?



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28 Apr 2014, 9:34 am

micfranklin wrote:
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Isn't there an entire European Union that should be handling this, seeing as they're all right next door?


The EU is very dependent on Russia for their energy. What do you suggest they do?


Have they tried aggressive diplomacy?


Do you mean economic sanctions? The EU is doing sanctions just like the US. Won't work though, Crimea is never going back to Ukraine. Our stupid politicians don't want to understand. These sanctions are fine for the US, they don't have that much trade with Russia anyway, but it'll just cost the EU a lot of money in a time when there is none, and it will not improve relations with Russia.
The Russians are still butthurt about the way things went down when the Soviet Union fell apart. Their condition for German reunification was that NATO would not move further east and they agreed. Now look (oh crap, the 2004 additions are barely visible because of the background color... anyway, they are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania which were actually part of the Soviet Union and of the Russian Empire before that. And Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia most of which were former Warsaw Pact countries.)

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28 Apr 2014, 10:30 am

trollcatman wrote:
micfranklin wrote:
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micfranklin wrote:
Isn't there an entire European Union that should be handling this, seeing as they're all right next door?


The EU is very dependent on Russia for their energy. What do you suggest they do?


Have they tried aggressive diplomacy?


Do you mean economic sanctions? The EU is doing sanctions just like the US. Won't work though, Crimea is never going back to Ukraine. Our stupid politicians don't want to understand. These sanctions are fine for the US, they don't have that much trade with Russia anyway, but it'll just cost the EU a lot of money in a time when there is none, and it will not improve relations with Russia.
The Russians are still butthurt about the way things went down when the Soviet Union fell apart. Their condition for German reunification was that NATO would not move further east and they agreed. Now look (oh crap, the 2004 additions are barely visible because of the background color... anyway, they are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania which were actually part of the Soviet Union and of the Russian Empire before that. And Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia most of which were former Warsaw Pact countries.)

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I do wonder if Crimea goes back to Russia, then are other former smaller USSR countries as a whole at risk?



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28 Apr 2014, 2:19 pm

micfranklin wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
micfranklin wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
micfranklin wrote:
Isn't there an entire European Union that should be handling this, seeing as they're all right next door?


The EU is very dependent on Russia for their energy. What do you suggest they do?


Have they tried aggressive diplomacy?


Do you mean economic sanctions? The EU is doing sanctions just like the US. Won't work though, Crimea is never going back to Ukraine. Our stupid politicians don't want to understand. These sanctions are fine for the US, they don't have that much trade with Russia anyway, but it'll just cost the EU a lot of money in a time when there is none, and it will not improve relations with Russia.
The Russians are still butthurt about the way things went down when the Soviet Union fell apart. Their condition for German reunification was that NATO would not move further east and they agreed. Now look (oh crap, the 2004 additions are barely visible because of the background color... anyway, they are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania which were actually part of the Soviet Union and of the Russian Empire before that. And Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia most of which were former Warsaw Pact countries.)

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I do wonder if Crimea goes back to Russia, then are other former smaller USSR countries as a whole at risk?


That's certainly what those former Soviet Republics are wondering this very moment, as well as former Soviet satellites like Poland.


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