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25 Aug 2014, 2:01 pm

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That was a CNN iReport, which anyone can make. It's the wikipedia of CNN....

Not quite. Every CNN iReport is quickly verified (at least for such things as libel and glaring errors) by CNN editors. The report in question was deleted until it could be verified to the satisfaction of its editors, then republished as it is now.

It has not been verified yet.



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25 Aug 2014, 2:04 pm

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That was a CNN iReport, which anyone can make. It's the wikipedia of CNN....

Not quite. Every CNN iReport is quickly verified (at least for such things as libel and glaring errors) by CNN editors. The report in question was deleted until it could be verified to the satisfaction of its editors, then republished as it is now.


I stand corrected. Nonetheless, it clearly states the story in question has not been verified.

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I don't think examiner.com is even affiliated with that. It is tabloid-level info, though.

Like HuffingtonPost.com, Examiner.com encourages citizen editors to provide its online news and commentary. Its readership is 20 million strong. Several of its editors have reported news that ended up provoking governmental investigations (see the Fast and Furious gunwalking scandal). While many or even most Examine.com editors might publish light-hearted human-interest reports, its semi-professional editors are at least as good as government-approved mainstream media.


It may be the starting point, but further research and reporting is done before concluding it merits an investigation. Just because some are correct doesn't mean all are reliable.

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Jon Rappoport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Rappoport is publishing updates to his related reports. He has written for CBS Healthwatch, Spin, Stern and LA Weekly, and hosted his own weekly radio show on the Progressive Radio Network.


It says "citation needed"



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26 Aug 2014, 1:53 am

Yeah... here is an explanation of why this whole thing is BUNK

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26 Aug 2014, 3:33 pm

Here's another good explanation. The reanalysis actually shows no correlation between vaccines and autism for non-black kids. Bad news for Jenny McCarthy.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/did ... ican-boys/

here's a link you can show to people who think iCNN is reliable.http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1165323



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27 Aug 2014, 11:59 am

Just because someone's a whistleblower hardly means he's telling a truth. Especially when someone tries to make a connection between vaccinations and autism, I have to take the source with a grain of salt.


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27 Aug 2014, 12:02 pm

NEXTNEWSNETWORK.COM: "CDC Responds: Admits Omitting Vaccine Data" (August 26, 2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THGbJnpywyw

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We told you recently about a new whistleblower inside the CDC. Now, we know his name: Doctor William Thompson. Doctor Thompson shared his story with Doctor Brian Hooker. Thompson says he stayed quiet for over 10 years after finding a link between vaccines in young black children and autism. Thompson says the CDC knew about this link, and purposely manipulated the evidence removing ?Black Babies without birth certificates? from the study to justify their own multi-billion dollar vaccination operation.

Belsie González, Senior Public Affairs Specialist for the CDC responded to our inquiry admitting the omission of the data based on the children?s birth certificates, here?s the statement:

?Access to the information on the birth certificates allowed researchers to assess more complete information on race as well as other important characteristics, including possible risk factors for autism such as the child?s birth weight, mother?s age, and education. This information was not available for the children without birth certificates; hence CDC study did not present data by race on black, white, or other race children from the whole study sample. It presented the results on black and white/other race children from the group with birth certificates.?

That?s a pretty telling statement - worded very carefully - but a clear admission that the CDC DID NOT present data because the children without Birth Certificates lacked meta data on risk factors - including Race.

Today the CDC still claims the ?MMR vaccine does not increase the risk of autism?

Today, we welcome Doctor Brian Hooker to the show to talk about his recent conversations with the CDC Whistleblower Doctor William Thompson and the CDC response[.]


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27 Aug 2014, 12:31 pm

Anyone can say anything, and someone will give them the time of day to flap their gums. I don't care if this guy had worked for the CDC and had had inside knowledge; that doesn't mean he's automatically telling the truth.


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27 Aug 2014, 1:41 pm

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Anyone can say anything, and someone will give them the time of day to flap their gums. I don't care if this guy had worked for the CDC and had had inside knowledge; that doesn't mean he's automatically telling the truth.

Then how should anyone be determined to be truthful ... ever?


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27 Aug 2014, 1:48 pm

I find the CDC's statement to be pretty believable. If a baby is born without a birth certificate, then what on earth is going on with that family? The answer is, We don't know, but I'd be willing to guess that babies not given birth certificates are more likely to have health problems than babies that have birth certificates. To be honest, I'm surprised to hear that so many babies did not have birth certificates.

I think they were justified dropping participants who did not have the crucial birth data, which didn't include just race, but also birth weight and other factors. Without birth certificates, those factors could not be controlled for.


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27 Aug 2014, 1:48 pm

With data and critical thinking...

someone tells you A (SINGULAR) study suddenly contradicts all knowledge of the condition... it's probably bunk.

But here's some data for you...
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/ ... nd-autism/


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27 Aug 2014, 1:57 pm

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Anyone can say anything, and someone will give them the time of day to flap their gums. I don't care if this guy had worked for the CDC and had had inside knowledge; that doesn't mean he's automatically telling the truth.

Then how should anyone be determined to be truthful ... ever?


To quote the Apostle Paul, you "test the spirits." Or more plainly, you check out the veracity of the statement by finding out facts about the larger story. For instance, if someone says that vaccines lead to autism, it's a pretty good bet that story's probably bull, as we know the anti-vaccine crusade is based on fraud.


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27 Aug 2014, 2:10 pm

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With data and critical thinking...

someone tells you A (SINGULAR) study suddenly contradicts all knowledge of the condition... it's probably bunk.

But here's some data for you...
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/ ... nd-autism/

Yes, with data and critical thinking. Thompson has climbed the ranks of seniority for many years at the CDC where he knows well the necessity or accurate data and critical thinking. Do you know any reason, therefore, why, after such a career, he would suddenly admit that one (just one) of his studies was faked at the instruction of his superiors? Venture a guess? His statement about the intentional removal of certain data that, among other things would have skewed the evidence that had originally showed a 340-percent increase of autism among black boys who were administered the MMR vaccine before they were six years of age, isn't a singular study. It is a leak, an admission similar to the Watergate testimony of John Dean or that of former NSA worker Edward Snowden.

By the way, ScienceBlogs.com is no more institutionally valid than any vanity publisher where writers self-publish. In fact, it makes this fact very clear in its disclaimer http://www.scienceblogs.com/about which admits that "[t]he content contained in these blogs is exclusively attributable to outside contributors and does not necessarily reflect the opinions of ScienceBlogs LLC." While its content is informative in interesting, it isn't peer reviewed and, therefore, lacks verifiability.


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27 Aug 2014, 2:56 pm

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http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp


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Both CNN and the CDC have yet to directly address the "whistleblower" claims, and the context of Thompson's remarks as presented in the video footage (seen in the above tweet) has not been made clear. But as ScienceBlogs noted of that video, it appears to be highly manipulated and misleading


Blowing things out of proportion? Taking expert comments out of context to further an ideological view?

This is starting to sound an awful lot like "Climategate" to me.


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27 Aug 2014, 3:33 pm

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With data and critical thinking...

someone tells you A (SINGULAR) study suddenly contradicts all knowledge of the condition... it's probably bunk.

But here's some data for you...
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/ ... nd-autism/

Yes, with data and critical thinking. Thompson has climbed the ranks of seniority for many years at the CDC where he knows well the necessity or accurate data and critical thinking. Do you know any reason, therefore, why, after such a career, he would suddenly admit that one (just one) of his studies was faked at the instruction of his superiors? Venture a guess? His statement about the intentional removal of certain data that, among other things would have skewed the evidence that had originally showed a 340-percent increase of autism among black boys who were administered the MMR vaccine before they were six years of age, isn't a singular study. It is a leak, an admission similar to the Watergate testimony of John Dean or that of former NSA worker Edward Snowden.

By the way, ScienceBlogs.com is no more institutionally valid than any vanity publisher where writers self-publish. In fact, it makes this fact very clear in its disclaimer http://www.scienceblogs.com/about which admits that "[t]he content contained in these blogs is exclusively attributable to outside contributors and does not necessarily reflect the opinions of ScienceBlogs LLC." While its content is informative in interesting, it isn't peer reviewed and, therefore, lacks verifiability.


Okay. I will throw some fact out there.

Autism can be diagnosed at birth.

The physiological markers are there, including the different nerve trunk paths that an be verified with HDFT imaging.

The excess of neurons that has been discovered in Autistic Spectrum Individuals are present at birth.

The supposed culprit in vaccines was themiserol. The study sample that they have pulled from crosses the date at which themiserol was removed from the MMR vaccine. Also... in that area, 4 different formulations of MMR vaccine were used.

Lastly... The MMR vaccine, according to this data/guy seems to only have increased the chances of autism of black males in one state...

So... given these facts... Let's ask ourselves something...

What is more likely:

That the MMR vaccine increases incidents of autism, but ONLY in one gender, of one race, in one state?

OR...

That the individuals are in an urban environment and fall under the poverty line and have not had access to mental health care, and as such, the diagnosis rate was really low. However, as marked in 2010, the rates of diagnosis in Georgia are rising significantly.

Yet, the rate of non-medical vaccination exemptions in the state is rising rapidly...

And... Let's look at this... I am the child of hippies... I wasn't vaccinated... I have an autistic spectrum disorder. I have undergone HDFT scans that show the same structures in the brain that are the hallmark of that. I would bet hard cash that I have the increased white matter in my brain that is another hallmark of it.

Vaccines don't cause autism... if they did, I would be autism free... I did get vaccinated... later in life, by my own choice, but not til long after a diagnosis. Futher... Autism was "discovered" before Vaccines were invented...

While the scienceblogs.com is not a verifiable source, if you pursue the thought line, research it and look at the statements made and actually read the study... you will find that he's right.


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27 Aug 2014, 4:20 pm

You also can't forget that this whistleblower may not have been blowing a whistle on anything. As the Snopes article states, it appears the expert may have been quoted out of context in order to support the anti-vaxxers' points.


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