Science Reporting in the Media is Mostly Garbage

Page 2 of 2 [ 22 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

LKL
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Age: 50
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,402

29 Sep 2014, 5:30 pm

SignOfLazarus wrote:
...even if a journalist is specifically trained to understand and report on science, how can they be expected to have such a broad knowledge base as to accurately and effectively relate this information on the level that is being discussed in this thread? [Though actually there doesn't really seem to be agreement on that, I could be mistaken] Am i just misunderstanding your meaning here?

No, I think you have it right; that was always a weakness of 'science journalism,' even back when there were actual science journalists. What they had that, say, a police-blotter-journallist or a business-journalist might not have had, was an understanding of the process of science (that is, they would understand what a p-value was, for example, or an R, and whether or not the study was asking a question or trying to prove a pre-set point) and a familiarity with how scientists speak. WRT the latter, for example, climate scientists (and many others) have been doing the scientific equivalent of screaming at the tops of their lungs for the last decade, and to the public it seems very equivocal and undramatic. A science journalist would at least understand that scientific 'tone of voice,' even if they had to have the scientist in question (or some other expert in the field) translate for them rather than reading the study directly.



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 58
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

30 Sep 2014, 2:21 am

B19 wrote:
Newspapers employ reporters/critics to cover the arts: music, theatre, ballet, film, art. They don't send the film critic to report on ballet, nor the music critic to write reviews of art. Nor do they expect - and nor do their readers expect - the film critic to be a film maker, the ballet critic to be a dancer..etc. This is not necessary. What is necessary is a dedicated interest in their specialist subject, integrity, and proven knowledge and expertise on the discipline they are writing about. Science (with notable exceptions, like the Times specialist coverage) is not accorded the same status or respect by the media. This imbalance is strange when you pause to consider that science affects us all, all the time, far more and far often than the arts. It affects everything we do and are.


The imbalance has to do with the nature of double majors in undergraduate journalism. Students who pursue careers in journalism tend to be largely in the humanities. I think the ratio of science graduates who embark on a journalism career or obtain cadetship with a newsmedia org is relatively small. Some exceptions are female journalists with a background in psychology or health science. If the main media outlets want a journalist to report on a breaking story on artificial intelligence or genetic engineering they will be limited to whoever is closest to meet the brief. I've seen plenty of tech writers with an IT background writing for financial publications or people with health science degrees or medical degrees writing for medical or health related publications.

Where we get unstuck is where you have a broadsheet tabloid that has huge readership where there will be some generic writer who writes science related articles and who may have experience in writing science journalism without having a science background themselves. Even here I doubt a writer with a background in computing is going to be able to tackle a story on cosmology or a psychologist tackle a story on stem cells. No editor is going to have an army of discipline specific specialists. Here in Victoria the Age or Australian newspapers often consult guest editors or writers on science related topics who are experts in their fields. I guess there is a number of ways to skin a cat.

B19 wrote:
(PS: I am a woman, Cyberdad, no sex change accomplished nor planned! :)

oops :wink:



B19
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jan 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,993
Location: New Zealand

30 Sep 2014, 2:38 am

One of my children did a degree in journalism after a science degree, wanting to use both. She worked for news and they had her cover crime. They didn't want anyone to cover science.. she moved to broadcasting and was used for current affairs. Disillusioned, she did a third degree unrelated to science and now works as a lawyer :(



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 58
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

30 Sep 2014, 3:20 am

B19 wrote:
One of my children did a degree in journalism after a science degree, wanting to use both. She worked for news and they had her cover crime. They didn't want anyone to cover science.. she moved to broadcasting and was used for current affairs. Disillusioned, she did a third degree unrelated to science and now works as a lawyer :(


Part of the problem is the lack of popularity science garners in the general public. It's largely demand-supply, stories people want to read about include the size of Kim Kardashian's derrier or George Clooney's secret wedding. The news people know crime related stories pull the heart strings or triggers curiosity of readers. Science is neither sexy nor attracts interest unless it's a youtube video of a shark headed crocodile or a man who can lift a truck with his teeth.



Prof_Pretorius
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,520
Location: Hiding in the attic of the Arkham Library

02 Oct 2014, 11:30 pm

I'm very, very tired of "scientists" who want to spout some science fiction just to get their name in print. Multiverses, time travel, beaming physical objects, earth-like planets newly discovered, and so forth. Most "reporters" are just writers. They have someone tell them something that makes for a good headline, so they type it up. Investigation of the claim? Research into the person's background? Checking facts? BLIMEY ! ! That all takes time away from coffee and doughnuts. So much easier to type up the story, and if it backfires, just type up another saying the person was a "hoaxer".


_________________
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow. I feel my fate in what I cannot fear. I learn by going where I have to go. ~Theodore Roethke


slave
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Feb 2012
Age: 113
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,420
Location: Dystopia Planetia

03 Oct 2014, 11:11 pm

I despise the vast majority of Urinalists and Presstitutes.

They are attention whores, banging out tripe after tripe about that which they cannot understand.

The world is much worse off for having these insufferable losers telling their incomplete, never sourced rubbish to any rag that will publish their s**t for a couple hundred $$.

BUT my friends!! !! !
they are being REPLACED BY SOFTWARE PROGRAMS THAT WRITE THE STORIES FOR THEM!! !! !

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! !! !! ! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

http://singularityhub.com/2014/03/25/mo ... you-think/