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12 Oct 2014, 2:22 pm

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Being from the general area, all I can say is I'm not surprised.

I can list off all the cultural factors that feed it.

I'm not excusing them, in any way or shape or form. Even when the culture is fecking sick, you COPE. And you do not do it by feeding the sickness.

But the fact remains that the bullies are victims of something too. They always are. People don't do that s**t because they're HEALTHY in their minds and spirits.


Gotta disagree with you there since the implication that only people who are victims of something would turn around and try and hurt others is largely inaccurate much of the time....and an easy cop out for bullies. "oh I am a victim and can't help treating others like sh*t' I mean come on really?


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12 Oct 2014, 2:25 pm

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I read the article.
I saw nothing that indicated they did that because he's autistic.
I saw nothing about prior instances of them singling him out for being autistic.
His autism may have been a factor but to me it's looking more like a practical joke than bullying.
Just from this I can't see where the suspensions were warranted, especially for the coach.


Practical jokes are supposed to be somewhat funny, from the sound of it if there was screaming at the top of the kids lungs he probably wasn't enjoying this 'joke' I mean if you're trying to play a joke and its causing obvious severe stress for the person perhaps they are not the one to play that joke on.


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12 Oct 2014, 2:29 pm

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Raptor wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
I read the article.
I saw nothing that indicated they did that because he's autistic.
I saw nothing about prior instances of them singling him out for being autistic.
His autism may have been a factor but to me it's looking more like a practical joke than bullying.
Just from this I can't see where the suspensions were warranted, especially for the coach.


They did it to him because they ware a bunch of Godda*mn jocks, and that breed preys on the weak and nerdy in school.


It's clear that it was the kids mother that convinced him he was "a victim" which doesnt help matters. He's 15 in the 1st semester of the school year so that probably puts him in the sophomore class. Seniors love to f**k with sophomores. Where I went to high school it wasn't so much like that but where this kid lives (near Pittsburgh) it IS like that, has been like that, and will be like that 100 years from now no matter what kind of namby-pamby laws are passed. That's my native region so I know something about it. All things considered, If one is going to be duct taped to a goal post October is a good time of the year for it since there is little danger of freezing to death or or roasting. Really, that's about as simple as it needs to be.

"Godda*mn jocks"? Hmmm.....So how long did you end up taped to the goal post?


Actually, no one ever taped me up to anything in high school. That didn't mean I was free from being bullied, as were all the other schoolyard outcasts I associated with. I admit, there were some okay guys who were jocks - one guy was my oldest friend who'd never hurt me, while the other was very sincere in his religiosity and so never hurt anyone. But the other ones I knew took full advantage of the high school caste system to humiliate and degrade anyone else who didn't share their lofty social status.
As for the kid being a victim - If that had happened to an adult, I could see charges of assault being filed, so if the mother had convinced the kid he was a victim, it was hardly unfounded.

Life has it's hard blows and that wasnt even on the radar screen of hard blows. He needs to get over it and move on, and so does his overprotective mother.

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I've long had fears about my daughter's future in junior high and high school, as she is autistic and stands out like a sore thumb with her less than NT behavior. I still hold a grudge against the NT's who bullied and excluded me back in school, and I hardly want her to carry that sort of cancer of the psyche that I do along with her for future years. Luckily, her grade school has a zero tolerance policy regarding bullying, and so her sparkling, if different, personality has made her popular in school. I can only hope that continues on for her.

Grow up already . The bullies that you really need to worry about know how to game the system to make themselves look like the victim and the system will be forced to sidt with THEM.
I see two choices for you here:
1. Get her the social coaching (and hardening) to deal with adolescence
2. Private school
3. Ideally BOTH
The world is not going to change for either of you to any discernible degree in the foreseeable future.


Or maybe the sh*thead jocks giving the kid crap for being a snitch because he was found taped up....and didn't lie about how he ended up that way that need to get over it, realize they did something that was not ok with the person they did it to and maybe not do it again, lest when they are older they can get charged with assault when trying to do stuff like that to someone against their will.


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12 Oct 2014, 2:49 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
I read the article.
I saw nothing that indicated they did that because he's autistic.
I saw nothing about prior instances of them singling him out for being autistic.
His autism may have been a factor but to me it's looking more like a practical joke than bullying.
Just from this I can't see where the suspensions were warranted, especially for the coach.


They did it to him because they ware a bunch of Godda*mn jocks, and that breed preys on the weak and nerdy in school.


It's clear that it was the kids mother that convinced him he was "a victim" which doesnt help matters. He's 15 in the 1st semester of the school year so that probably puts him in the sophomore class. Seniors love to f**k with sophomores. Where I went to high school it wasn't so much like that but where this kid lives (near Pittsburgh) it IS like that, has been like that, and will be like that 100 years from now no matter what kind of namby-pamby laws are passed. That's my native region so I know something about it. All things considered, If one is going to be duct taped to a goal post October is a good time of the year for it since there is little danger of freezing to death or or roasting. Really, that's about as simple as it needs to be.

"Godda*mn jocks"? Hmmm.....So how long did you end up taped to the goal post?


Actually, no one ever taped me up to anything in high school. That didn't mean I was free from being bullied, as were all the other schoolyard outcasts I associated with. I admit, there were some okay guys who were jocks - one guy was my oldest friend who'd never hurt me, while the other was very sincere in his religiosity and so never hurt anyone. But the other ones I knew took full advantage of the high school caste system to humiliate and degrade anyone else who didn't share their lofty social status.
As for the kid being a victim - If that had happened to an adult, I could see charges of assault being filed, so if the mother had convinced the kid he was a victim, it was hardly unfounded.

Life has it's hard blows and that wasnt even on the radar screen of hard blows. He needs to get over it and move on, and so does his overprotective mother.

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I've long had fears about my daughter's future in junior high and high school, as she is autistic and stands out like a sore thumb with her less than NT behavior. I still hold a grudge against the NT's who bullied and excluded me back in school, and I hardly want her to carry that sort of cancer of the psyche that I do along with her for future years. Luckily, her grade school has a zero tolerance policy regarding bullying, and so her sparkling, if different, personality has made her popular in school. I can only hope that continues on for her.

Grow up already . The bullies that you really need to worry about know how to game the system to make themselves look like the victim and the system will be forced to sidt with THEM.
I see two choices for you here:
1. Get her the social coaching (and hardening) to deal with adolescence
2. Private school
3. Ideally BOTH
The world is not going to change for either of you to any discernible degree in the foreseeable future.


Or maybe the sh*thead jocks giving the kid crap for being a snitch because he was found taped up....and didn't lie about how he ended up that way that need to get over it, realize they did something that was not ok with the person they did it to and maybe not do it again, lest when they are older they can get charged with assault when trying to do stuff like that to someone against their will.


Thank you.


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12 Oct 2014, 6:51 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
I read the article.
I saw nothing that indicated they did that because he's autistic.
I saw nothing about prior instances of them singling him out for being autistic.
His autism may have been a factor but to me it's looking more like a practical joke than bullying.
Just from this I can't see where the suspensions were warranted, especially for the coach.


They did it to him because they ware a bunch of Godda*mn jocks, and that breed preys on the weak and nerdy in school.


It's clear that it was the kids mother that convinced him he was "a victim" which doesnt help matters. He's 15 in the 1st semester of the school year so that probably puts him in the sophomore class. Seniors love to f**k with sophomores. Where I went to high school it wasn't so much like that but where this kid lives (near Pittsburgh) it IS like that, has been like that, and will be like that 100 years from now no matter what kind of namby-pamby laws are passed. That's my native region so I know something about it. All things considered, If one is going to be duct taped to a goal post October is a good time of the year for it since there is little danger of freezing to death or or roasting. Really, that's about as simple as it needs to be.

"Godda*mn jocks"? Hmmm.....So how long did you end up taped to the goal post?


Actually, no one ever taped me up to anything in high school. That didn't mean I was free from being bullied, as were all the other schoolyard outcasts I associated with. I admit, there were some okay guys who were jocks - one guy was my oldest friend who'd never hurt me, while the other was very sincere in his religiosity and so never hurt anyone. But the other ones I knew took full advantage of the high school caste system to humiliate and degrade anyone else who didn't share their lofty social status.
As for the kid being a victim - If that had happened to an adult, I could see charges of assault being filed, so if the mother had convinced the kid he was a victim, it was hardly unfounded.

Life has it's hard blows and that wasnt even on the radar screen of hard blows. He needs to get over it and move on, and so does his overprotective mother.

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I've long had fears about my daughter's future in junior high and high school, as she is autistic and stands out like a sore thumb with her less than NT behavior. I still hold a grudge against the NT's who bullied and excluded me back in school, and I hardly want her to carry that sort of cancer of the psyche that I do along with her for future years. Luckily, her grade school has a zero tolerance policy regarding bullying, and so her sparkling, if different, personality has made her popular in school. I can only hope that continues on for her.

Grow up already . The bullies that you really need to worry about know how to game the system to make themselves look like the victim and the system will be forced to sidt with THEM.
I see two choices for you here:
1. Get her the social coaching (and hardening) to deal with adolescence
2. Private school
3. Ideally BOTH
The world is not going to change for either of you to any discernible degree in the foreseeable future.


Or maybe the sh*thead jocks giving the kid crap for being a snitch because he was found taped up....and didn't lie about how he ended up that way that need to get over it, realize they did something that was not ok with the person they did it to and maybe not do it again, lest when they are older they can get charged with assault when trying to do stuff like that to someone against their will.


1. You could have replied to me with one post, but I guess with 17688 posts in only 3 years (twice the post that I have in half the time) you're obviously shooting for a high post count....
2. That kid has a bigger problem than autism and it's being a mama's boy. I wasnt going to say that, but it's pretty obvious to me.


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12 Oct 2014, 7:05 pm

Oh, c'mon Raptor, your taking the side of the bullies! I don't know of a single good parent who wouldn't stick up for their kid. The fault lies with the jocks who picked on a kid they perceived as weaker than them, and only because they were d*cks, and that's all there is to it.


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12 Oct 2014, 7:12 pm

I'm with Kraichgauer.
People aren't allowed to bind other people to objects against their will.
Does that not go without saying?
I guess not. :lol:



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12 Oct 2014, 7:20 pm

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I'm with Kraichgauer.
People aren't allowed to bind other people to objects against their will.
Does that not go without saying?
I guess not. :lol:


Thank you for your support!


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12 Oct 2014, 8:54 pm

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Oh, c'mon Raptor, your taking the side of the bullies! I don't know of a single good parent who wouldn't stick up for their kid. The fault lies with the jocks who picked on a kid they perceived as weaker than them, and only because they were d*cks, and that's all there is to it.

I'm being a realist, something foreign to liberals. Accusing someone of siding with the bullies (if bullying is even what it was) is weak. Toss the word bully around too freely and it dulls the meaning which only spawns more and harder to define (and prosecute) real bullying. Do you really need me to provide some ghastly examples of bullying so you'll know the difference?


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12 Oct 2014, 11:07 pm

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Oh, c'mon Raptor, your taking the side of the bullies! I don't know of a single good parent who wouldn't stick up for their kid. The fault lies with the jocks who picked on a kid they perceived as weaker than them, and only because they were d*cks, and that's all there is to it.

I'm being a realist, something foreign to liberals. Accusing someone of siding with the bullies (if bullying is even what it was) is weak. Toss the word bully around too freely and it dulls the meaning which only spawns more and harder to define (and prosecute) real bullying. Do you really need me to provide some ghastly examples of bullying so you'll know the difference?


There are degrees of bullying, but it's still bullying.


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12 Oct 2014, 11:10 pm

Raptor, is it your belief that binding people against their will is legal?
Do you think it should be legal to go around tying people up?
If not, then what exactly is your objection here?

This whole argument is so ridiculous it resembles trolling.



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13 Oct 2014, 1:42 am

Raptor wrote:
I read the article.
I saw nothing that indicated they did that because he's autistic.
I saw nothing about prior instances of them singling him out for being autistic.
His autism may have been a factor but to me it's looking more like a practical joke than bullying.
Just from this I can't see where the suspensions were warranted, especially for the coach.


I don't think you need to be brain surgeon to interpret the two seniors picked on him for "special" treatment because he was vulnerable and probably could not resist or fight back when getting duct taped. That's what bullies do.

I read the article and it's fairly clear the the suspensions were definitely warranted as there was deprivation of liberty, humiliation and risk of harm to the autistic boy.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind being duct taped for hours to a goal post (the victim may have been left longer if not for a passing state trooper) and laughed at and photographed with your humiliation spread around social media to further torment you. The rest of us probably feel that 5 days suspension is not enough. The coach is responsible for keeping his kids safe. In that regard he failed.



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13 Oct 2014, 1:47 am

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I'm being a realist, something foreign to liberals.


I was wondering how long it would be before you invoke your tired old political views. This has to do with bullying and has nothing to do with anyone's political (or lack of) beliefs.



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13 Oct 2014, 2:05 am

'Bully' is WP's own version of 'terrorist', a word evoked to end arguments by placing someone, and anyone who doesn't condemn them, beyond the pale, and so widely applied as to become effectively meaningless.


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13 Oct 2014, 2:23 am

Due to my naivety when young, I was a good target.

"Hey, check out this!" With the door barricaded behind you.

I learnt to find cover from thrown stones really quickly.

They all knew I was different, and that's why they did it.



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'Bully' is WP's own version of 'terrorist', a word evoked to end arguments by placing someone, and anyone who doesn't condemn them, beyond the pale, and so widely applied as to become effectively meaningless.


Are you implying that we're using the word "bullying" to shut Raptor up? Are you seriously trying to say that the jocks who taped up the kid weren't really bullies?!?!


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