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29 May 2015, 1:48 pm

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Also, you are wrong: California's bill will not force vaccinations on anybody.

If only. :(

If these anti vaxxers don't believe in medicine being right, they shouldn't be allowed in hospital with people ill out of their control. If you don't have vaccines you should accept that risk. You shouldn't be allowed to schools, work places - you shouldn't be allowed outside your own home, you're a risk to the public.

I can't believe they are free and low risk, bring great benefits and yet people refuse them. What world do we live in?



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29 May 2015, 2:07 pm

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Also, you are wrong: California's bill will not force vaccinations on anybody.

Would "lawfully coerced vaccination of children in lieu of expulsion from a public school based on the First Amendment right of freedom of religion" -- be more exacting? Having written my share of laws, I know how to speak "equivocation" quite well.

The current version of SB-277 Public health: vaccinations. (2015-2016) ( http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces ... 20160SB277 ) would prohibit "personal beliefs" among the existing qualifications for exemption from "required" vaccinations.

I loathe obfuscation. :|


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29 May 2015, 2:15 pm

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beneficii wrote:
Also, you are wrong: California's bill will not force vaccinations on anybody.

Would "lawfully coerced vaccination of children in lieu of expulsion from a public school based on the First Amendment right of freedom of religion" -- be more exacting? Having written my share of laws, I know how to speak "equivocation" quite well.

The current version of SB-277 Public health: vaccinations. (2015-2016) ( http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces ... 20160SB277 ) would prohibit "personal beliefs" among the existing qualifications for exemption from "required" vaccinations.

I loathe obfuscation. :|


The first amendment has nothing to do with it. The government has a legitimate interest in preventing unvaccinated children, with a few exceptions (medical), from going to highly crowded areas such as a school.


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29 May 2015, 2:27 pm

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Little recent case law directly addresses the existence of a First Amendment free exercise right to a religious exemption from mandatory vaccination because states have provided by statute for religious exemptions to school vaccination laws. However, dicta in both Sherbert and Yoder referring to the Jacobson and Prince decisions clearly indicate that on both parens patriae and police power grounds the U.S. Supreme Court sees a compelling state interest in mandating vaccination of children because of the health threat to the community and to the children themselves. With little practical alternative to vaccination to avoid or be a disease risk (e.g., inability to avoid contact with other persons, except for those totally isolated from society), mandatory vaccination of all school children should also meet the “narrowly tailored” criterion of Sherbert.

In addition, in a case that predates the Yoder decision and enactment of a statutory religious exemption by Arkansas, the Arkansas Supreme Court in Wright v. DeWitt School District held that no First Amendment right existed to a religious exemption given the state’s compelling interest in mandating vac­cination under its police power to protect the public health. (238 Ark. at 913, 385 S.W.2d at 648). Significantly, the U.S. Supreme Court in Yoder referenced the Wright decision in dicta regarding cases in which the health of the child or public health are at issue, with the implication that a vaccination mandate pro­viding no religious exemption would meet the compelling state interest test (406 U.S. at 230, 92 S.Ct. at 1540–1).


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-manager ... hptr13.pdf


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29 May 2015, 2:33 pm

In the same article, there is a question over whether even having a religious exemption would be constitutional. In Brown v. Stone, for example, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled that the religious exemption in that state's vaccination law actually violated the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment. The case law on this matter is mixed, however.


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29 May 2015, 4:57 pm

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...The case law on this matter is mixed, however.

Not in Utah.


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29 May 2015, 5:05 pm

Well, obviously then, if one person had an adverse reaction to vaccines, we should all stop taking them. </sarcasm>

This was more due to the doctor's negligence than vaccines. If he was having adverse reactions to the vaccines, the doctor should have stopped giving them to him. It was also partly due to the mother stupidly taking him back for more vaccines, even after she saw the adverse effects from the previous vaccines. She should have gone to another doctor, or the ER, when she saw that he was having a worse reaction the third time.
Some people can't have vaccines. That's a well known fact. That's why it's so important for those of us who can have vaccines to get them. People who can't have vaccines rely on the rest of us being immune to the disease so they don't get it.
The diseases that people are being vaccinated against are not gone despite vaccines, they're gone because of them.


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29 May 2015, 5:05 pm

I thought babies didn't get their shots until they were a few months old. Babies inherit some of their mother's immunity at birth but it doesn't last.



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29 May 2015, 5:08 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Also, you are wrong: California's bill will not force vaccinations on anybody.

Would "lawfully coerced vaccination of children in lieu of expulsion from a public school based on the First Amendment right of freedom of religion" -- be more exacting? Having written my share of laws, I know how to speak "equivocation" quite well.

The current version of SB-277 Public health: vaccinations. (2015-2016) ( http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces ... 20160SB277 ) would prohibit "personal beliefs" among the existing qualifications for exemption from "required" vaccinations.

I loathe obfuscation. :|


This isn't an issue of freedom of religion. This is a public health issue. Unvaccinated people should not be allowed in public the same way that drunk people should not be allowed to drive. If someone has a preventable disease, there is a real possibility that they could kill someone with a weaker immune system. Whatever you think about vaccines, you do not have the right to risk someone else's life.


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29 May 2015, 5:12 pm

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I thought babies didn't get their shots until they were a few months old. Babies inherit some of their mother's immunity at birth but it doesn't last.


Some of the vaccines the doctor was giving that baby didn't even make any sense. Heptatis B? What for? That's not a scheduled vaccine.


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29 May 2015, 5:30 pm

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Besides, those of us who choose to avoid vaccinations for various reasons number only about six to 10 percent of the U.S. population. When "herd immunity" vaccination is believed to be about 85 percent of the population, those of us who choose otherwise should statistically do no harm to those who are vaccinated (and, should therefore, be protected anyway, shouldn't they?).


Except that they are doing harm. There have been outbreaks of measles and whooping cough that have killed children because of people not getting vaccinated.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... le4436946/
http://healthland.time.com/2013/09/30/p ... outbreaks/
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/toddler-di ... -1.2250620
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/
http://6abc.com/health/1991-the-philly- ... n-/504818/ (This one is a direct result of "religious freedom").

You anti-vaxxers portray your argument as some sort of noble quest to save the lives of children who have adverse reactions from vaccines.


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29 May 2015, 6:51 pm

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lostonearth35 wrote:
I thought babies didn't get their shots until they were a few months old. Babies inherit some of their mother's immunity at birth but it doesn't last.
Some of the vaccines the doctor was giving that baby didn't even make any sense. Heptatis B? What for? That's not a scheduled vaccine.
According to the Centers for Disease Control (Link to Website), the first dose of vaccine against HepB is given at birth, with the second dose given 1 to 2 months later. By the end of the second month, the child should receive 5 more vaccines (RV1, DTaP, Influenza B, two pneumococcal types, and Polio).

Logically, the "Newborn Baby" should have been at least two months old. According to the original article (Link to Original Article) he was at least 14 months old - hardly a 'Newborn' at all.
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According to the family’s account, Daniel was vaccinated for seven different conditions at five-and-a-half months old, including with DTaP, hepatitis B, polio, Hib and pneumococcal vaccines. Despite suffering immediate adverse effects, Daniel was brought back to the doctor’s office just a few months later and jabbed again with all the same vaccines. This time his condition worsened, and he quickly developed asthma.

Believing that her child’s doctor knew what was best, Daniel’s mother brought him back for a third round of vaccines at 14 months old. This time, the boy was given eight vaccines in four separate injections: MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), Hib, varicella and DTaP.

[...]
It seems that the anti-vaxxers are doing more than just revealing a tragedy; they are also exaggerating their claims.

It's a good thing that we're all too smart to fall for that, and way too smart to then rush out and make vaccinations illegal ... or something else equally as stupid ...



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29 May 2015, 8:43 pm

Perhaps I missed it, but was it in fact confirmed that the child had died from the vaccinations? Or was it just coincidence that death occurred after she had received the shots?


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29 May 2015, 9:06 pm

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Perhaps I missed it, but was it in fact confirmed that the child had died from the vaccinations? Or was it just coincidence that death occurred after she had received the shots?

In the GlobalResearch.ca report of May 29, 2015 ( http://www.globalresearch.ca/newborn-ba ... th/5452479 ) it was described that "Danny's mother decided to consult with other medical experts to gain second opinions, and what they all unanimously determined is that, based on blood and tissue samples taken from Danny’s body, the boy had definitely died from the vaccines.

"Everything was reviewed by three separate pathologists," she said. "All three confirmed the same findings. The pathologists stated vaccine-induced hypercytokinemia as the cause of my son's asphyxiation. They were able to determine this in large part to the blood panel taken prior to Danny receiving his vaccines, in contrast with the samples I had stored."

"They also agreed encephalopathy was likely responsible, as it's a cytokine storm syndrome. Danny's pathology report stated his cause of death was asphyxiation, secondary to hypercytokinemia, caused by vaccines received approximately 72 hours prior."

Similar statements were published in the VacTruth.com report of May 14, 2015 ( https://web.archive.org/web/20150519010 ... -vaccines/ ).

It is unlikely that any documentary evidence will be released to the public unless and until a civil and/or criminal complaint is filed with a court.


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29 May 2015, 9:56 pm

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Cytokine Storm (redirected from Hypercytokinemia)
A potentially fatal hyperrelease of inflammatory mediators in response to stimulation of T cells and macrophages by pathogens and immune insults
Triggers Graft versus host disease, adult respiratory distress syndrome, sepsis, avian influenza, and systemic inflammatory response syndrome

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictio ... ytokinemia

So, basically, he had a severe allergic reaction and died. That's no reason to tell everyone to avoid vaccines. If someone was allergic to penicillin, would you tell everyone that antibiotics are evil and should be avoided?


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29 May 2015, 10:06 pm

AutumnSylver wrote:
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Cytokine Storm (redirected from Hypercytokinemia)
A potentially fatal hyperrelease of inflammatory mediators in response to stimulation of T cells and macrophages by pathogens and immune insults
Triggers Graft versus host disease, adult respiratory distress syndrome, sepsis, avian influenza, and systemic inflammatory response syndrome

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictio ... ytokinemia

So, basically, he had a severe allergic reaction and died. That's no reason to tell everyone to avoid vaccines. If someone was allergic to penicillin, would you tell everyone that antibiotics are evil and should be avoided?


Exactly. But you can't tell that to the Jenny McCarthy's of the world.


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