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02 Jul 2015, 8:04 pm

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Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary defines "rant" as "to talk loudly and in a way that shows anger." Putting aside the fact that the volume of one's voice cannot be determined through text, the rest of the definition applies here. Jim Carrey was conveying anger through the things he said about vaccines, so therefore, he was ranting. So why is it so wrong to call him out on that?

(Also, are you anti-vaccine? If so, then why? Do you not realize how dangerous it is to refuse to vaccinate yourself and/or your children?)


One, I'm sure you're fully aware that dictionary definitions and actual usage of words often part company, so quoting Merriam's as me isn't exactly productive. I've had far too many dry, academically couched responses to emotional arguments dismissed as "rants" to put much stock in the word anymore, and tend to see it as a red flag for "I want to dismiss this but am too lazy to actually engage with it" type statements.

Secondly, I'm not anti-vaccine per se, but I believe I have the absolute right to determine what I choose to put into my body, and don't take kindly to the paternalistic arguments of the anti-vax shaming brigade.


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02 Jul 2015, 8:44 pm

What gets me is how they push the new HPV vaccine on teenage girls. My oldest daughter is engaged and has been with the same guy since she was 13. They are in a relationship and neither is seeing anyone else. When my daughter told the nurse this at 17, she was still pushed to get the shot. Luckily I was in there with here because the nurse pushed very hard. My daughter is shy and would have given in, but I stood up for her. She doesn't need that shot and it's also very new and nobody knows what it can cause ten years down the road. If she was not in a relationship and was screwing around then that would be different. But if you don't need it and won't be exposed to it, they need to stop pushing it.

Also, I don't think the chicken pox vaccine should be mandatory. Because it's mild, it should be something that parents decide about. Many will get it, but also some won't. My kids had chicken pox and even then I had to still refuse the shot because they wanted to give it to them anyway.

Another problem I had was that my daughter had a reaction to the pertussis vaccine and was in the hospital when she was six months old. After that the doctor said no more pertussis vaccines for any of my kids and none of them are immunized against that. When changing doctors or getting shots at the health dept for school it was hell to try and explain over and over that I would only get them the DT and not the DTP.

Back in the 90's a lot of people got that thing from Universal Life Church and used that as a religious exemption to shots. I don't think it's that common now, and even if I had wanted to do that it wouldn't have worked very well since they were going to Catholic school and we were members of that church lol


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02 Jul 2015, 9:33 pm

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02 Jul 2015, 10:45 pm

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What gets me is how they push the new HPV vaccine on teenage girls. My oldest daughter is engaged and has been with the same guy since she was 13. They are in a relationship and neither is seeing anyone else. When my daughter told the nurse this at 17, she was still pushed to get the shot. Luckily I was in there with here because the nurse pushed very hard. My daughter is shy and would have given in, but I stood up for her. She doesn't need that shot and it's also very new and nobody knows what it can cause ten years down the road. If she was not in a relationship and was screwing around then that would be different. But if you don't need it and won't be exposed to it, they need to stop pushing it.

Also, I don't think the chicken pox vaccine should be mandatory. Because it's mild, it should be something that parents decide about. Many will get it, but also some won't. My kids had chicken pox and even then I had to still refuse the shot because they wanted to give it to them anyway.

Another problem I had was that my daughter had a reaction to the pertussis vaccine and was in the hospital when she was six months old. After that the doctor said no more pertussis vaccines for any of my kids and none of them are immunized against that. When changing doctors or getting shots at the health dept for school it was hell to try and explain over and over that I would only get them the DT and not the DTP.

Back in the 90's a lot of people got that thing from Universal Life Church and used that as a religious exemption to shots. I don't think it's that common now, and even if I had wanted to do that it wouldn't have worked very well since they were going to Catholic school and we were members of that church lol
the HPV vaccine can help prevent certain cancers caused by HPV as well as genital warts and HPV itself, and Measles can kill babies <1M old if the mother is unvaccinated.

e: sources https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/comm ... _sheet.htm
http://www.webmd.com/vaccines/adult-hpv ... guidelines



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02 Jul 2015, 10:49 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Secondly, I'm not anti-vaccine per se, but I believe I have the absolute right to determine what I choose to put into my body, and don't take kindly to the paternalistic arguments of the anti-vax shaming brigade.
taking the middle path isn't always valid, vaccines are far and away less risky than the full-fledged viruses they protect against.



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02 Jul 2015, 10:51 pm

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OliveOilMom wrote:
What gets me is how they push the new HPV vaccine on teenage girls. My oldest daughter is engaged and has been with the same guy since she was 13. They are in a relationship and neither is seeing anyone else. When my daughter told the nurse this at 17, she was still pushed to get the shot. Luckily I was in there with here because the nurse pushed very hard. My daughter is shy and would have given in, but I stood up for her. She doesn't need that shot and it's also very new and nobody knows what it can cause ten years down the road. If she was not in a relationship and was screwing around then that would be different. But if you don't need it and won't be exposed to it, they need to stop pushing it.

Also, I don't think the chicken pox vaccine should be mandatory. Because it's mild, it should be something that parents decide about. Many will get it, but also some won't. My kids had chicken pox and even then I had to still refuse the shot because they wanted to give it to them anyway.

Another problem I had was that my daughter had a reaction to the pertussis vaccine and was in the hospital when she was six months old. After that the doctor said no more pertussis vaccines for any of my kids and none of them are immunized against that. When changing doctors or getting shots at the health dept for school it was hell to try and explain over and over that I would only get them the DT and not the DTP.

Back in the 90's a lot of people got that thing from Universal Life Church and used that as a religious exemption to shots. I don't think it's that common now, and even if I had wanted to do that it wouldn't have worked very well since they were going to Catholic school and we were members of that church lol
the HPV vaccine can help prevent certain cancers caused by HPV as well as genital warts and HPV itself, and Measles can kill babies <1M old if the mother is unvaccinated.

e: sources https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/comm ... _sheet.htm
http://www.webmd.com/vaccines/adult-hpv ... guidelines


But when you are in a relationship and not going to be exposed to HPV, why in Gods name would you want to be vaccinated against it?


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02 Jul 2015, 10:57 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
Fugu wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
What gets me is how they push the new HPV vaccine on teenage girls. My oldest daughter is engaged and has been with the same guy since she was 13. They are in a relationship and neither is seeing anyone else. When my daughter told the nurse this at 17, she was still pushed to get the shot. Luckily I was in there with here because the nurse pushed very hard. My daughter is shy and would have given in, but I stood up for her. She doesn't need that shot and it's also very new and nobody knows what it can cause ten years down the road. If she was not in a relationship and was screwing around then that would be different. But if you don't need it and won't be exposed to it, they need to stop pushing it.

Also, I don't think the chicken pox vaccine should be mandatory. Because it's mild, it should be something that parents decide about. Many will get it, but also some won't. My kids had chicken pox and even then I had to still refuse the shot because they wanted to give it to them anyway.

Another problem I had was that my daughter had a reaction to the pertussis vaccine and was in the hospital when she was six months old. After that the doctor said no more pertussis vaccines for any of my kids and none of them are immunized against that. When changing doctors or getting shots at the health dept for school it was hell to try and explain over and over that I would only get them the DT and not the DTP.

Back in the 90's a lot of people got that thing from Universal Life Church and used that as a religious exemption to shots. I don't think it's that common now, and even if I had wanted to do that it wouldn't have worked very well since they were going to Catholic school and we were members of that church lol
the HPV vaccine can help prevent certain cancers caused by HPV as well as genital warts and HPV itself, and Measles can kill babies <1M old if the mother is unvaccinated.

e: sources https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/comm ... _sheet.htm
http://www.webmd.com/vaccines/adult-hpv ... guidelines


But when you are in a relationship and not going to be exposed to HPV, why in Gods name would you want to be vaccinated against it?
because HPV can show no symptoms, and there isn't a test for it being present unless it shows symptoms; HPV can cause cervical cancer if left alone.



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02 Jul 2015, 11:18 pm

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it's not in your best self interest to be a walking disease vector, despite your misinformation about vaccines.


Vaccines are suppressing natural selection. If you exercise your inalienable right to be a walking disease vector, you're helping the population improve its natural immunity by killing individuals whose immune systems aren't good enough.


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02 Jul 2015, 11:31 pm

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Fugu wrote:
it's not in your best self interest to be a walking disease vector, despite your misinformation about vaccines.


Vaccines are suppressing natural selection. If you exercise your inalienable right to be a walking disease vector, you're helping the population improve its natural immunity by killing individuals whose immune systems aren't good enough.
Natural selection hasn't been the driving force behind human evolution for a long while, it's all artificial selection.



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02 Jul 2015, 11:41 pm

Fugu wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Fugu wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
What gets me is how they push the new HPV vaccine on teenage girls. My oldest daughter is engaged and has been with the same guy since she was 13. They are in a relationship and neither is seeing anyone else. When my daughter told the nurse this at 17, she was still pushed to get the shot. Luckily I was in there with here because the nurse pushed very hard. My daughter is shy and would have given in, but I stood up for her. She doesn't need that shot and it's also very new and nobody knows what it can cause ten years down the road. If she was not in a relationship and was screwing around then that would be different. But if you don't need it and won't be exposed to it, they need to stop pushing it.

Also, I don't think the chicken pox vaccine should be mandatory. Because it's mild, it should be something that parents decide about. Many will get it, but also some won't. My kids had chicken pox and even then I had to still refuse the shot because they wanted to give it to them anyway.

Another problem I had was that my daughter had a reaction to the pertussis vaccine and was in the hospital when she was six months old. After that the doctor said no more pertussis vaccines for any of my kids and none of them are immunized against that. When changing doctors or getting shots at the health dept for school it was hell to try and explain over and over that I would only get them the DT and not the DTP.

Back in the 90's a lot of people got that thing from Universal Life Church and used that as a religious exemption to shots. I don't think it's that common now, and even if I had wanted to do that it wouldn't have worked very well since they were going to Catholic school and we were members of that church lol
the HPV vaccine can help prevent certain cancers caused by HPV as well as genital warts and HPV itself, and Measles can kill babies <1M old if the mother is unvaccinated.

e: sources https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/comm ... _sheet.htm
http://www.webmd.com/vaccines/adult-hpv ... guidelines


But when you are in a relationship and not going to be exposed to HPV, why in Gods name would you want to be vaccinated against it?
because HPV can show no symptoms, and there isn't a test for it being present unless it shows symptoms; HPV can cause cervical cancer if left alone.


They test for it during a pap smear. Also, when you are in a relationship and not having sex with anyone else, and this is the first person you had sex with and you are going to marry them, you don't need a vaccine against something you would only get if you had sex with someone else. So no, there is no need for it.

Also, some strains of HPV disappear. Many don't but some go away. And yes, I'm pointing it out again, they test for it every year when you have a pap smear. It does have symptoms many times, which are warts. Many times that's all it causes, but other times you can get cancer. Why in the world would you want to vaccinate someone against something they have no chance of catching? If she were to suddenly decide to break up with her fiance, after all these years, she could go get the vaccine, but why give it to a teenager who doesn't want it? Also, they tried to force it on my other daughter who was younger and not planning on having sex until she was much older. She told the nurse she would get it then if she wanted it, but she didn't want it at 15. They push it too hard on girls who aren't needing it at the time. They don't need to do that.


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03 Jul 2015, 12:36 am

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Why in the world would you want to vaccinate someone against something they have no chance of catching? If she were to suddenly decide to break up with her fiance, after all these years, she could go get the vaccine, but why give it to a teenager who doesn't want it? Also, they tried to force it on my other daughter who was younger and not planning on having sex until she was much older. She told the nurse she would get it then if she wanted it, but she didn't want it at 15. They push it too hard on girls who aren't needing it at the time. They don't need to do that.
they're probably pushing it on the girls because girls are generally having sex earlier as time goes on. it's a pretty lurid fact I grant you, but still accurate.

also re: not vaccinating for something they have very little chance of getting is leaving a hole in your bodies defenses where there wouldn't be if the vaccine was administered. that being said, i'm not inferring anything about the character of your daughters at all.



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People that worship vaccines are bowing at the feet of their Big Pharmaceutical god's, do you trust them? I'd get a vaccine if I thought it was in my best self interest but I'm not giving the most evil people in the world the benefit of the doubt. First hand I can tell you there can be serious reactions to almost any type of vaccine, my brother has suffered permanent brain damage and is permanently disabled as a result a reaction he had from I believe DTaP. How about this as a compromise, you can mandate vaccines but the pharmaceutical companies will owe everyone that has a reaction a billion dollars. I would imagine the supply of that drug would dry up really fast, they'd probably have second thoughts about mandating it.

I don't trust Big Pharma, but I trust science and science is saying that vaccines are safe and a efficient way to prevent dangerous diseases. Not every scientists are working for Big Pharma, some are working for universities and governments and they are still saying that vaccines are safe and a efficient way to prevent diseases. There is also a lot of scientists that are fighting against the bad pratices of Big Pharma, like asking for all the study done by pharmatical compagnies on their drugs, that's because science is a self-correcting pratice and thus is able to fight back against abuse made in the name of money. And yet you say that we shouldn't trust any of them!
Why should we trust anti-vaccers by the way? They are not virtuous simply because they are speaking against Big Pharma you know.



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03 Jul 2015, 10:10 am

Personally, I think there is way too much attention being focused on what celebrities have to say on any topic. I'm more concerned with the statements by those who have the proper credentials to speak on a subject, and have more power to change popular opinion.


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03 Jul 2015, 10:46 am

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Jacoby wrote:
People that worship vaccines are bowing at the feet of their Big Pharmaceutical god's, do you trust them? I'd get a vaccine if I thought it was in my best self interest but I'm not giving the most evil people in the world the benefit of the doubt. First hand I can tell you there can be serious reactions to almost any type of vaccine, my brother has suffered permanent brain damage and is permanently disabled as a result a reaction he had from I believe DTaP. How about this as a compromise, you can mandate vaccines but the pharmaceutical companies will owe everyone that has a reaction a billion dollars. I would imagine the supply of that drug would dry up really fast, they'd probably have second thoughts about mandating it.

I don't trust Big Pharma, but I trust science and science is saying that vaccines are safe and a efficient way to prevent dangerous diseases. Not every scientists are working for Big Pharma, some are working for universities and governments and they are still saying that vaccines are safe and a efficient way to prevent diseases. There is also a lot of scientists that are fighting against the bad pratices of Big Pharma, like asking for all the study done by pharmatical compagnies on their drugs, that's because science is a self-correcting pratice and thus is able to fight back against abuse made in the name of money. And yet you say that we shouldn't trust any of them!
Why should we trust anti-vaccers by the way? They are not virtuous simply because they are speaking against Big Pharma you know.


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I'm against a lot of mandatory vaccines, but not because of autism. They don't cause it. I never had a vaccine and I have AS and am professionally diagnosed too. I think too many vaccines for the small things that don't usually cause lasting harm will ruin our immune systems. That is my opinion though and I don't expect everyone to go along with it. The Chicken Pox vaccine went too far IMO. It's a harmless childhood disease and I think that preventing small illnesses like that will make us more susceptable to the big ones. It's not a scientific opinion, but it's what I feel.


There's a vaccine for every little thing now. Cervical cancer is caused by an infection, so some big company made a vaccine that causes horrible side effects for some people, but the docs keep pushing it. 14 or 15 yo teens who want to sow their wild oats should use a "love glove" if they don't want to get sick. I wonder if these weird food allergies that exist now are the fault of immune systems going crazy due to overly sanitized surroundings. Kids will taste 1/100 of a peanut and drop dead when their throat closes shut from anaphylaxis, do you remember stuff like that happening in the 80s, I sure don't! One girl took a single bite of a brownie that she didn't know contained peanuts, and didn't swallow it, but within 30 min she was dead after her throat closed up.


But I hear that unfortunately the "love glove" as you call it is not the greatest thing in the world for tongues. A fellow at work (whose wife also worked there) developed a tumor in his throat from HPV. It got so big it looked like he had swallowed a grapefruit. It turned out non-cancerous and after some surgery he was good as new but I'm sure he (and she) could have done without the experience, if he'd had the choice. :(



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03 Jul 2015, 8:30 pm

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Family mad at Jim Carrey for tweeting photo of boy with autism


Jim Carrey Apologizes for Posting Photo of Autistic Boy: https://gma.yahoo.com/jim-carrey-apolog ... nment.html