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Tradition is a good thing?
Look, nothing wrong with horny dudes, I get it. But I see something predatory here.

Oh thank you, I can't believe after 45 years as a woman that I missed that.

I think higher education and dominant/submissive sexuality are linked. Similar to the Catholic church. Not a tradition I think warrants upholding.

^That's the alpha male culture I was talking about: do whatever you want without any regards for repercussions that don't directly affect you. Then when some girl gets raped and develops PTSD and can't function properly in society you'll complain about having to pay for the medicare that provides help for her-- well those are the indirect consequences you never thought about. So suck it up, be a man, and pay the consequences.

Now you're just trolling, the amount of close reading and parsing required to come up with that interpretation is ridiculous, and I've been defending free speech of all stripes since long before you were a member here; I'll even defend yours if it comes to it.

Well, I appreciate that.
I really do think discourse is important. Some ideas just seem to be gratuitous though. How long until the defensive posture can be forgotten. Having to defend against rape is disheartening.

Same here. There's nothing about the sign that would make me even think of the word rape.

There is no need to take people who make such absurd claims at all seriously. They are clearly divorced from reality.

If anything they are warning signs.

I think it's unhelpful and disingenuous to equate objectification with sexual assault. The math doesn't add up. Most men have a naked lady fetish, but most men are not rapists.

The US frat culture on university campuses represent a form social climbing where both young males (and females) want to be associated with the better known frat houses not only to socially network with the "in crowd" but to fraternise with future leaders and CEOs and company directors (movers and shakers) in the wider community. Many of the leading "frat boys" are sons of well connected people.

It makes perfect sense to shut down the Sigma Nu frat house after this display. Many young girls feel pressured to go the extra step in order to please these guys in order to feel wanted/be part of by these fraternities. All those banners do is reinforce old stereotypes to young college girls that they need to let themselves be objectified and available for the young men if they want to "fit in". The university administration wanted to send a message that this attitude is not ok and girls should not be intimidated to loosen their moral compass.

Objectification is a slippery slope....

The amount of sex talk by teenagers at school and men and women at college would make you think that's all they care about. It usually is.

That ain't rape culture. It's humans being humans in breeding age.

Most men aren't potential rapists. If you think they are, then you're the extremist.

I'm not even saying objectification is good or something we should keep around.

But what i am saying is that actual physical sexual assault and saying some offensive stuff are two very different things.

I think it's well established that the world experiences both objectification without rape and rape without objectification.

In some, perhaps many, even most rapes if you want to argue it, objectification is certainly a factor.

These banners are basically catcalls smeared on bed sheets and hung from the balcony.

It's stupid and offensive. But it's only stupid and offensive.

It's not rape. it's not tantamount to rape. it's not necessarily, exclusively, or even probably a prelude to rape.

Would some still call it rape culture if these banners explicitly stated that frat boys want to have consensual physical relations with freshmen girls who are completely sober?

I suspect that some would.

Frankly, I've seen this nonsense eroding the inner calm of far too many girls I care about to give a damn who thinks speech like theirs is free. Those frat dudes just aren't the ones paying for their viewpoint, basically everyone else is. This is why I'm taking a rain check on my social life until my friends are largely through college - we all need our own means of keeping our heads above this madness.

Obviously the university administration deemed otherwise...

Put yourself in the shoes of a young female freshman who sees the banners emblazoned with lurid invitations. Young girls feel unsafe on many university campuses around the world and even in the company of friends always have to watch their backs when drinking or in parties in perpetual fear of sexual molestation or violation if they have one too many drinks.

There is a well established culture of misogyny in Australian universities where senior male students compete with each other in time honoured competitions to sleep with as many freshman girls as possible. This is also Frat boy culture. These "games" evolved from the old Etonian boarding houses in Britain where young men behaved like "Cads" but this has evolved into something more sinister since girls started taking the contraceptive pill.

That drinking excuse only works if they're so inebriated that they can't function. You have rape then.

Having several beers over a couple of hours (which is a lot to drink for the little amount of ethanol consumed) isn't going to put a woman so far gone that they lose higher functions.

It takes two to tango with these things.

I think people are just shocked that women are just as sexual as men for the most part. The whole women = sexually innocent flowers stuff has never been true unless it's been forced onto them.

Women play those "scoring" games too.

The ones who don't play along are just as unsettled as anyone else outside the college town ethos, even if they live and/or study there. The college neighborhoods around here can be quite sketchy places. If I'm honest it's tough to stomach the idea of any women I know living around all the blurry boundaries and unpredictable violence, if this college district is at all ordinary.

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Aw... that just makes me feel all warm inside.

Tradition is a good thing?[/quote]It depends on the tradition but I think it's a good thing in most cases.

Then you're seeing more than what's actually there.
Sometimes I wonder if everyone knows that.

Who's property is it?