michigan court says juveniles can be raped in prison

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I don't think the criminal justice system in the states is designed to be rehabilitative, the measures handed out including prison sentences are designed to be punitive. Thus there is little resources invested in protecting prisoners from assault, deprivation of liberty or rape. However 17 yr olds certainly should not be housed with hardened crims.

I can't think of any other civilized nations which do things our way in this regard.

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It's not just Ohioans who find any type of government assistance (or ANY type of help!) shameful. It's a Midwestern mindset. Back when having a full-time job meant you also had health insurance and a backyard pool, it wasn't such a harmful way of thinking. Nowadays, it just prevents a lot of people from accessing help. My elderly parents were reluctant to hire someone to do their housework, even though they pay her entirely out of pocket. My father felt ashamed not to be able to do it all himself.

If we're done being outraged over the savage austerity of Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania maybe we can get back to the topic.

I'd want to know the reasonwhy those adolescents are in an adult prison. If it's some mandatory sentencing BS over dope or whatever and they are non-violent offenders that have been f****d by the system I'd be 100% against them being there. But, it could just be that they really ARE bad apples and only and adult prison can handle them.

It's rather disingenuous to refer to 17 year olds as "children" when they are quite capable of carrying out anything and 18 year old (or older) can. If someone had called me a "child" at 17 I probably would have shot them. Adult and child in this case are only legal terms and have nothing to do with capability.

As far as rape in prison don't look for that to end any time soon or ever. Well, they could go back to working them till they're too tired for anything like that or back to using the sweat box or the strap on them like what they used to back in the day. I can see the American Criminal Liberties Union (ACLU for short) having a cow over even the suggestion of any of the above.

Even if they did have enough guards to watch over everything they guards themselves wouldnt have the inclination to do it effectively. Guards like turmoil and predation within the prison population. That keeps the inmates angry at each other so they won't focus thier combined energies on overpowering the guards and breaking out en masse. Think about it.

...Yes , there are likely some of the raped inprisoned uner-18s who commited majore , even major violent , crimes .
There are doubtless a number of raped adult prisoners who commited major , evn violent , crimes .
You are saying , then , that they should be raped by other prisoners - who , BTW , likely committed , in many cases , major violent crimes as well , pretty likely I'd think , too , at a ratio higher that those they rape ?
Okay , perhaps this is the standard " heh , heh , people in prison who are raped deserve it " .
(Oh , you're arguing that there was no prison rape when there was official corporal/physical punishment in prison ?)





]If we're done being outraged over the savage austerity of Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania maybe we can get back to the topic.

I'd want to know the reasonwhy those adolescents are in an adult prison. If it's some mandatory sentencing BS over dope or whatever and they are non-violent offenders that have been f****d by the system I'd be 100% against them being there. But, it could just be that they really ARE bad apples and only and adult prison can handle them.

It's rather disingenuous to refer to 17 year olds as "children" when they are quite capable of carrying out anything and 18 year old (or older) can. If someone had called me a "child" at 17 I probably would have shot them. Adult and child in this case are only legal terms and have nothing to do with capability.

As far as rape in prison don't look for that to end any time soon or ever. Well, they could go back to working them till they're too tired for anything like that or back to using the sweat box or the strap on them like what they used to back in the day. I can see the American Criminal Liberties Union (ACLU for short) having a cow over even the suggestion of any of the above.

Even if they did have enough guards to watch over everything they guards themselves wouldnt have the inclination to do it effectively. Guards like turmoil and predation within the prison population. That keeps the inmates angry at each other so they won't focus thier combined energies on overpowering the guards and breaking out en masse. Think about it.[/quote]

...Your fourth paragraph rather suggested what I said above , I think .









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