Secretary Carter: Russia and China Threatening Global Order

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Yet right at the beginning of the article there is this:

So basically a tyrannical puppet soviet government called the USSR to the rescue from being overthrown by popular rebellions only to end up betrayed by their allies as they installed another puppet government. And we are supposed to applaud Russia how?


Seem to me that the Iraqi war was more because the George W. Bush administration wanted a war. They did manipulate the US media; but learning how they been manipulated many media were pissed off and now they don't want that to happen again.

It seem to me that some tend too much toward manichean views; it's not because the west do bad things that Russia/China opposing those are doing good things. On the other hand, the US did/do bad things and the 2003 Iraqi intervention has been a terrible error.

The 2nd Iraq War was planned not long after the first one, HW probably would of went in if he wasn't worried about being reelected or international law(hahaha)

Our war against them never really stopped, there was crippling sanctions which resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children and a no fly zone over the north of the country and bombings as well. We had the country under siege for 12 years essentially, then they invented the narrative that he was trying to seek nuclear weapons(and no s**t if he was, what else would you do if the world's lone superpower wanted to overthrow your government)

May I just stop you for a moment to point out the curious wording? Russia and China threatening global order? Has there ever been such a thing? I mean, in the sense of a crystalline, unchanging structure?

World order over the course of history has shown to have quite fluid properties. Russia and China aren't threatening or destroying something, they're just competing to sit on top of the shitstack.

America #1? Just... not by default.
We won't be watching russian sitcoms for a while.

Actually, no, I would'nt, because I don't place loyalty to a little tribe before what I believe to be right.

So you don't actually care about the fact that you were wrong about a central figure in a scandal that almost (but unfortunately didn't) topple a sitting U.S. president, and which constitues evidence that you don't actually know what you are talking about.

Okay... whatever. I can't take you seriously when you just so cavalierly dismiss facts, thinking your own erroneous beliefs are actually true when they are quite clearly not.

So you agree that stereotypes are not actually useful, and are often counter-productive and even, at times, destructive. Yet... that didn't prevent you from just assuming I was yet anothere clueless, redneck Australian (which, by the way, could not be further from the truth).



Hmm... yes, in spite of all the shooting. You know, most of us on planet Earth would be a lot happier if the U.S. Government did a lot less shooting, because we are all well and truly fed up with it.



You call this "peace"!? The world is just so peaceful these days, especially the Middle East.



That might actually be true. I'll have to look into it.



As above.



So the U.S. Government runs a protection racket. This is something that school bullies and gangsters do.



I have my doubts about this point. It might be true.



Except when it suits their purposes to not keep them free and open (ex. the mining of the harbours of Nicaragua during the 1980's - http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/hon ... mining.htm)



So you admit that the United States is an empire, just like any other before it. Good, because it is.



Link...?



The implication being that "the rest" don't really care about human health and diseases? Sometimes it's not just the amount of money you pour into something that counts. Retrograde beliefs governing human conduct in some of the more backward parts of the globe (ex. the Catholic, and other, church's endorsement of 'abstinence' as a method of controlling A.I.D.S.) have been supported by both U.S. citizens and government, even though it has been consistently shown that not only do such methods not actually work, but they cause more harm than good.



How magnanimous. A free internet benefits everyone, including the U.S. Government and corporations, so I don't really think they are simply being altruistic here.



Have you ever been to any of these countries? Australia is NOT a 'xenophobic country'. You have obviously been listening to too many ill-informed people. On a per capita basis, we take in more refugees than even your own country, but of course you didn't know that, did you. Our politicians (and media) go on and on about how 'multicultural' Australia is (and it is). Please do think before you spout rubbish.



Try telling that to Mexicans at the moment. You may soon have a President Donald Trump who, as we all know, just loves all things Mexican.



The world doesn't need a 'centre'. Instead of one nation, whichever that nation may be, placing itself above every other, wouldn't things be better if there were mutual respect and understanding? I know that that's maybe too much to ask, but it would be ideal don't you think?



So the United States is Batman. Christ.

I've noticed a few spelling mistakes in a couple of my posts, but I won't try to correct them because I keep getting those stupid Captcha puzzles, and I might end up screwing them up. This problem really needs to be addressed!

No, I don't think that we should "applaud" Russia, or the U.S.S.R., for the mistakes that were made. My point was made in response to the claim by 'Xenocity' that the U.S.S.R. wanted to annex Afghanistan, which simply was not the case. There were no plans for annexation, no desire to move into Pakistan or Iran, and no plan whatsoever to invade Western Europe, but at the time we were constantly told by the Cold War hawks that we should worry and panic, because "the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!" It was all based upon lies, and disseminated in order to justify big 'defence' budgets, draconian foreign policy initiatives, and the suppression of dissent at home. Now it's 'terrorism'. Some things just never change.

Neither has the US. So this isn't about principle, it's about "us against them". Duly noted. You're just spewing anti-Russian propaganda because Russia-China is a serious challenger to western hegemony(as they should be).

The US and its allies armed Sadam Hussein and trained Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the middle east because of the incredibly stupid, failed foreign policy maxim "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". The trained terrorists in Afghanistan soon began attacking the US abroad in the 90s and carried out the deadliest foreign attack on American soil(9/11). The US invasion of Afghanistan was to clean up the mess it had created there.

Now you want to cry a river about how terrible Assad is despite the fact that he is killing Jihadists in Syria and finally Russia is stepping up to bomb the s**t out of ISIS which is spreading mass murder and lawlessness throughout the middle east and now Europe. America is next if these subhumans aren't contained and wiped out.


Don't even get me started about the support for the Latin American Hitler Roberto Daubuisson of El Salvador and his murderous fascist regime in the 70s and 80s which was finally defeated in 1992.

Some of the comments here directed at Australians are misdirected and unbalanced. Australia is one of the most multicultural countries in the world and to describe us as xenophobic is a misrepresentation of the truth. My own personal view is that the US is good intentioned in its foreign policy but almost always gets it wrong when it attempts to intervene in a foreign dispute. American style capilitalism doesn't work in every country in the world and American type consumerism and a culture which includes gridiron football, guns, Hollywood movies and rap music doesn't mean as much to non-Americans as it does to Americans. The world would be a better place if each country promoted their own culture and diversity and didn't try to force their way of life on to any other country. Europeans have a much more balanced view of the world and the cultural diversities of the rest of the world. Until the US understands the suttle cultural differences in the countries they deal with, will continue to stumble on the world stage.