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17 Nov 2015, 7:12 pm

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Read the article and replace "arab" with "jew".

Then imagine someone posting it here and imagine the consequences.

The jews would cry in unison to have the thread deleted.

But it's perfectly fine the other way around, isn't it?


This. Getting really tired of the racism double standards.

agreed, people dont give a damn about Muslims or Arabs...


Its less about religion (I don't like any religion) and more about race.

But whatever, double standards still piss me off regardless of the race/group involved. All hypocrisy irks me.


What racism are you on about in this thread ? If there's any racism, it's in the posting by Al-Britani and people are actually calling him out on it HERE.

And, MonsterCrack, the world doesn't care about Muslims ? Doesn't look like one of your OWN - Al Britani - doesn't care about them, either. So, you may want to set your own roof right first, before pointing fingers at others.


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17 Nov 2015, 7:20 pm

Adamantium wrote:
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xile123 wrote:
Neotenous Nordic wrote:
Read the article and replace "arab" with "jew".

Then imagine someone posting it here and imagine the consequences.

The jews would cry in unison to have the thread deleted.

But it's perfectly fine the other way around, isn't it?


This. Getting really tired of the racism double standards.

agreed, people dont give a damn about Muslims or Arabs...


My sense is that Neotenous Nordic doesn't particularly care for Muslims or Arabs, either, he just resents not being able to attack Jews. (Please feel free to correct me if I misunderstood you, Neotenous Nordic)


And how exactly did you arrive at that conclusion? Can you derive any attack on jews from my posts?

I hold arabs and jews to the same standards. But if it wasn't for zionist warmongering however, we (Europeans) wouldn't have to deal with refugees that USA and Israel created, who come to Europe with their PTSD and ruined lives and cause trouble. We have called for peace, but USA and Israel insists that there is "business to take care of in the middle east". I do criticise arabs when they stir up trouble in Europe and radical Islam is to blame. But that has to do with their particular interpretation of Islam, not them being arabs. The title of this thread however, is a disgusting attack on arabs, and not radical Islam. That makes it racial in nature, and not religious.

It is downright revolting how U.S and Israel not only refuse to take in refugees , but constantly create them for European countries to deal with. We don't have infinite resources.

It is known in the media how the gulf states have not taken in a single refugee. But there's another state that has not taken in a single refugee either, and that is Israel. How come the media ignores this?

Perhaps for the same reason everybody get up in arms when Israel is criticised on this forum: it's apparently perfectly fine to dehumanize arabs, but say one negative thing about Israel, no not even jews, just Israel, and the victim card is being played all over the place.

Those are the double standards. Have your anti-arab threads all you want, but then don't come crying "anti-semitism" when zionist warmongering is criticised.



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17 Nov 2015, 7:27 pm

Neotenous Nordic wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
MonsterCrack wrote:
xile123 wrote:
Neotenous Nordic wrote:
Read the article and replace "arab" with "jew".

Then imagine someone posting it here and imagine the consequences.

The jews would cry in unison to have the thread deleted.

But it's perfectly fine the other way around, isn't it?


This. Getting really tired of the racism double standards.

agreed, people dont give a damn about Muslims or Arabs...


My sense is that Neotenous Nordic doesn't particularly care for Muslims or Arabs, either, he just resents not being able to attack Jews. (Please feel free to correct me if I misunderstood you, Neotenous Nordic)


And how exactly did you arrive at that conclusion? Can you derive any attack on jews from my posts?

I hold arabs and jews to the same standards. But if it wasn't for zionist warmongering however, we (Europeans) wouldn't have to deal with refugees that USA and Israel created, who come to Europe with their PTSD and ruined lives and cause trouble. We have called for peace, but USA and Israel insists that there is "business to take care of in the middle east". I do criticise arabs when they stir up trouble in Europe and radical Islam is to blame. But that has to do with their particular interpretation of Islam, not them being arabs. The title of this thread however, is a disgusting attack on arabs, and not radical Islam. That makes it racial in nature, and not religious.

It is downright revolting how U.S and Israel not only refuse to take in refugees , but constantly create them for European countries to deal with. We don't have infinite resources.

It is known in the media how the gulf states have not taken in a single refugee. But there's another state that has not taken in a single refugee either, and that is Israel. How come the media ignores this?

Perhaps for the same reason everybody get up in arms when Israel is criticised on this forum: it's apparently perfectly fine to dehumanize arabs, but say one negative thing about Israel, no not even jews, just Israel, and the victim card is being played all over the place.

Those are the double standards. Have your anti-arab threads all you want, but then don't come crying "anti-semitism" when zionist warmongering is criticised.


The title of the thread is a SUMMARY of what a scumbag has to say about Arabs and Arabian culture. It is not an endorsement of Al-Britani's view, nor racist commentary on Syria and Syrians - as you purport it to be.

I should know, as I created this thread.

If it got you a chance to cry foul about how other people are able to make racist statements but you are not, sorry, dude, you are out of luck. Most people here seem to get the hyperbole in the title of the thread and have rightly interpreted it as sarcasm directed at Al-Britani's 6000 word rant against his hosts.

You, however, CHOOSE not to, and that's YOUR problem, not anyone else's.


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17 Nov 2015, 7:56 pm

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The title of the thread is a SUMMARY of what a scumbag has to say about Arabs and Arabian culture. It is not an endorsement of Al-Britani's view, nor racist commentary on Syria and Syrians - as you purport it to be.

I should know, as I created this thread.


The point still stand: apply it to jews and it's anti-semitism. Read it out loud if you have to and then imagine how that would have been taken.

My criticism is towards incongruence in moderation, as the person who exposed himself as a moderator in this very thread got up in arms about the zionist criticism in the other thread, while being perfectly fine with the anti-arab sentiment.

He was very quick to assume ill intention against jews on my behalf, but did not react the same way towards the anti-arab opinions.
The fact that he attributed ill motives to my posts so quickly while being very, very patient with the anti-arab postings point to a certain bias on his part.

That is what my criticism is directed at.

In one thread, a poster spoke of the IDF as "brave soldiers" while in fact the IDF are war criminals who shoot Palestinian kids in the head for sports.

Here is a link to a youtube video of IDF shooting Palestinian children on a rooftop and high fiving each other.

I have avoided embedding the video due to the nature of the content. You have been warned of the content:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUibXSgILv0


THESE ARE THE SCUMBAGS THAT THE POSTER CALLED BRAVE SOLDIERS.

That's like saying "Waffen SS were war heroes". Can you imagine the consequences? Why did not the moderator react to the poster who called CHILD MURDERERS brave heroes?



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17 Nov 2015, 8:05 pm

I concur with everything you're saying Nord.



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17 Nov 2015, 8:41 pm

Neotenous Nordic wrote:
Those are the double standards. Have your anti-arab threads all you want, but then don't come crying "anti-semitism" when zionist warmongering is criticised.



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The point still stand: apply it to jews and it's anti-semitism. Read it out loud if you have to and then imagine how that would have been taken.

My criticism is towards incongruence in moderation, as the person who exposed himself as a moderator in this very thread got up in arms about the zionist criticism in the other thread, while being perfectly fine with the anti-arab sentiment.

He was very quick to assume ill intention against jews on my behalf, but did not react the same way towards the anti-arab opinions.
The fact that he attributed ill motives to my posts so quickly while being very, very patient with the anti-arab postings point to a certain bias on his part.



So, basically, what the moderator was saying is true. You say that we can have all the anti-Arab threads we want, provided your anti-Semitic posts are also allowed ?

You want moderation to be "fair" ? That isn't a bad demand, but this isn't an anti-Arab thread ! You can argue it is, but it isn't. That's where your logic (or lack thereof) hits the ground.


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17 Nov 2015, 9:20 pm

Neotenous Nordic wrote:
The point still stand: apply it to jews and it's anti-semitism. Read it out loud if you have to and then imagine how that would have been taken.

No, a post saying an "extremist zionist complains about lazy, rude and thieving Israelis" would not be taken as anti-semitic, particularly if it appeared to be a true account, except perhaps by a few ideologues desperately looking for enemies.

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My criticism is towards incongruence in moderation, as the person who exposed himself as a moderator in this very thread got up in arms about the zionist criticism in the other thread, while being perfectly fine with the anti-arab sentiment.
I am a moderator, but I am not moderating in this thread and have not acted as a moderator in this thread. I am not fine with anti-Arab sentiment. You will find that I am having a protracted dialogue in defense of Syrian refugees in another thread.

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He was very quick to assume ill intention against jews on my behalf, but did not react the same way towards the anti-arab opinions.
The fact that he attributed ill motives to my posts so quickly while being very, very patient with the anti-arab postings point to a certain bias on his part.


In fact, I find the anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views revolting. Most of the posters who come out with the most extreme stuff belong to a group of "usual suspects" some of whom have been explicitly clear in past discussions that they are racists in the classic white-supremacist vein.

Perhaps I have read you completely wrong, including in the thread where you said you could not post what you really thought for fear of breaking rules. I may have misunderstood what was implied by that.

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Why did not the moderator react to the poster who called CHILD MURDERERS brave heroes?
Because I did not read that thread. No moderator reads every thread or even most threads. All moderators are merely human beings with their own unique mix of blind spots, prejudices and erroneous views, just like everyone else. It could not be any other way.

Here is what to do when you see something that offends you like a post glorifying child killing snipers: report it. Otherwise it's likely that no moderator has seen it, unless a particular moderator just happens to be interested in that thread. You can report it by PM to a moderator (feel free to PM me any time, though I won't moderate threads I participate in) or by clicking the report button, or by posting in the "moderator attention" thread.

The main reason that moderators get involved in something here is that someone reports it or they happen to notice it. There is no mechanism that ensures balanced moderator attention to all threads, that's simply not possible.

I usually stay out of both News & Current Events and PPR because reading peoples views on these topics depresses me and makes me feel misanthropic. Interest in reactions to the uptick in ISIS activity with the Russian jet and city bombings in multiple countries made me look in.



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18 Nov 2015, 3:28 pm

Neotenous Nordic wrote:
Read the article and replace "arab" with "jew".

Then imagine someone posting it here and imagine the consequences.

The jews would cry in unison to have the thread deleted.

But it's perfectly fine the other way around, isn't it?

First off, how haven't you been banned yet for posting unflattering posts about Jews?
It could be viewed as violation of the anti-semtic laws in most European countries (if you are from Europe).

Now there is nothing honestly wrong about the topic.

It's no big secret that jihadist view their integrated brethren as something awful.


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18 Nov 2015, 3:41 pm

What does the video of those snipers prove? We didn't see what they were pointing at. We don't even know what country it is.

To the OP, you can't just take a comment made by some random guy who purports to be something, as an honest statement. You don't know who he is or why he's saying it.



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18 Nov 2015, 4:47 pm

Welcome to Earth! My citified friends! It is like that everywhere.

The rules needed to live where huts are side by side and even stacked upon one another are not needed and never reached the natural world where huts are spaced and people live as a family unit.

The natural human starts as a child, seeing the world with the eyes of wonder, and learning all things through play.

As that happens all over, it must be the will of The Great Sprit.

Those who grew up in a rural village, or like myself, five miles from one, with only family, and other people much like ourselves, are proof that it is not natural to lose the joy of childhood, and within the family children play with each other's toys.

We learn by seeing through the eyes of another, or walking in their oversized shoes. Something that never existed in my world catches my attention. No one said I could not look at it, why would they?

Our differences in world view are well caught in the film, The Gods Must Be Crazy. For the uneducated, a Coke bottle is dropped from a plane, and lands in Bushman Africa. It does not belong there, it disrupts life in the family, and when brought to the nearest village. One man, the one who found it, is sent on a quest to throw it out of the world, and restore things as they should be.

As he moves from Bush Country to civilization, the world becomes insane, harsh, inhuman, and tests his ability to remain sane. He wins, he throws the bottle over a cliff to the cloud covered end of the Earth beyond, and restores order to the world. This makes him, his family, and his village happy.

al Britani throws around words like Brothers, but he must be an only child and raised in a city. Those who came from family homes beyond the villages were offered the larger family of Jihad, where all would be brothers, one family, and that he complains of. He seems willing to kill people, but not to live with all men as brothers.

He likes war but not the end goal of Jihad?

I have spent time south of Mexico. Spanish culture people stay in the cities, they may be Indian by blood, but dress and speak Spanish. In the towns it is a mix, and the villages are family groups, have been for thousands of years, each has their own language, much less world view. Spanish is spoken as a trade language, like Mayan before it, or Arabic in the Islamic world.

Where the village folks come to trade in the towns and cities it is many levels of different. Often I spoke more Spanish. I smoked cigarettes back then, and bought from street venders. One pack, they knew the Spanish price, two packs took a while to figure twice the price, three packs was impossible, but to not be rude, they gave me the change box to make my own change.

I counted out the cost and change in twenties, fives, and singles, the Mayan way. I also picked up what they called something and used that word, some village word old before the Mayans came. I also greeted people, a good morning before business, as a person not a function. As the official exchange rate was 12 Limpera to the Dollar, and the street paid 16, I spent dollars as 12 Limpera. I thanked people and said goodbye.

These people are not unintelligent or ill behaved, they are old children living within a family structure. I tried my best to not be a Coke bottle. As a hiker, I often went five miles out of town, nodding to and greeting the people on the road.

One Christmas in San Pedro Sula, I was invited to Sula, the old city across the tracks. I was warned not to cross the tracks in the day time, never at night, and Christmas falls on the first of The Five Dead Days of the old religion. The Sun stops in the southern sky, and they world ends if it does not return. Midnight on Christmas is when the year ends. I was fifteen blocks over the tracks, at midnight everyone came out in the street, all Indio, and shoulder high, and there were no Policia, no Spanish, no Anglos, as everyone faced death together. Then I was fed Tamales by a family, and walked back to my hotel by 3 AM. The streets were still full, my friend asked what I saw, mas Indio amigos I replied. I was the only Anglo with 50,000 people on one of their holy days, at midnight.

They are not lazy, rude, thieves, murders, they just have a world view common worldwide in rural areas, which was everywhere before the recent move to cities.

Who is the Coke Bottle?



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18 Nov 2015, 5:36 pm

There have been many events in the Middle East and as a result of them. Taken in isolation one can make just about anything of it.

But taken in entire, most all stems directly or indirectly from a single event, the creation of the State of Israel and the surrounding countries refusal to accept it.

And that event is also due to a single event, which was the Holocaust.

The Holocaust too, remarkably can be tied to a single man. But he did not work alone and had many accomplices and not just in Germany.

So if you want to play the blame game, ultimately the modern mess in the Middle East was caused by Europe. Everyone else is dealing with the fallout.



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18 Nov 2015, 5:46 pm

I apologize if my contributions to page one contributed to making the thread look racist. Wasnt my intention.

Was an anthropology student for a while so it always interesting how to learn how cultures clash.

The guy's little blog not only had a certain amount of unintended ironic humor, but its a window on both: the cultural barriers our side faces in cooperating with the Arab locals against enemies like ISIS. But also a peek at how the enemy also has the same problems! Maybe even glimpses of chinks in their armor.



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18 Nov 2015, 8:55 pm

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The guy's little blog not only had a certain amount of unintended ironic humor, but its a window on both: the cultural barriers our side faces in cooperating with the Arab locals against enemies like ISIS. But also a peek at how the enemy also has the same problems! Maybe even glimpses of chinks in their armor.


This. The fellow's ranting was quite a revelation that ISIS is not one united homogeneous mass as most perceive it, but rather clusters of people who are unified in only their blood-thirsty hatred of "all things Western". A while ago, another blogger (forget the URL but will post it when I find it) had commented that the female Jihadis who had fled Europe for Syria seem to form tight-knit, closed cliques, and do not appear to mingle with the local women. Al-Britani's rant confirms that opinion / belief.

That lack of unity may well prove to be ISIS's undoing. In fact, I hope it does. It would also be interesting to see the local Jihadis' reaction to Al-Britani's self-righteous rants. He openly admits that he pisses them off quite a bit. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

PS: Al-Britani is a convicted sex offender. I guess that answers the questions as to why he is having such a hard time finding a wife - he has been dubbed the world's "loneliest Jihadist". Bet it has nothing, nothing, nothing to do with the fact that he personifies El Creepo.


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19 Nov 2015, 3:50 am

I repeat my reporting of this thread to the mods until they explain me why they don't want to lock this thread.



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19 Nov 2015, 3:59 am

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I repeat my reporting of this thread to the mods until they explain me why they don't want to lock this thread.


Can you explain why you think this thread is racist? I'm not getting it.



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19 Nov 2015, 4:32 am

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I repeat my reporting of this thread to the mods until they explain me why they don't want to lock this thread.


Can you explain why you think this thread is racist? I'm not getting it.


It is a subtle stereotyping racist pun from HisMom to "point" how "lazy, rude, thieving, unorganized" Arabs are to the point that even a west-born ISIS jihadi scum can't cope with.