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19 Dec 2015, 10:17 am

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We also cut the budgets of the NSA and the FBI because we have a President that does not like these agencies. That cut the number of agents investigating terrorist cells and radical Imams. Now, Congress is going to fix it.

Two facts:

1. You don't know what the budget of the NSA is or whether it has been cut in any particular year. If you were one of the people who did know this, discussing it in a public forum would be a crime. The only public source of substantive information about the NSA's budget comes from Edward Snowden and covers a time period outside the scope of your comment.

Congress did act to cut specific types of expenditure by the NSA, but that doesn't mean the overall budget was cut and that Congressional action was not somehow a reflection of the will of President Obama.

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/house-vote ... veillance/

2. The FBI has been hurt by the budget cuts forced on it by a dysfunctional congress, not because of the whims of the President. The specific mechanism that forced these witless, automatic budget cuts is sequestration, a device that an earlier dysfunctional Congress created to try to force itself into rational compromise on the budget (something the institution is still having extreme difficulty in doing.)

Given these facts, it might be unwise to put much faith in Congress to somehow fix the budget or properly fund the FBI, NSA or counter terror surveillance.



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19 Dec 2015, 6:07 pm

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In the US its a bit different. You need to a special judge to authorize a wire tap. If the government has to have just cause(which in this case they might) they most likely get it since Farook's parents are already on the Terrorist watch list.


Our national security is run by ASIO (Australian Secret Intelligence Organisation) and they have authority to screen anyone deemed a risk. As part of the national security measures (post-9-11) they are provided access to all electronic media (including phones). For instance if somebody comes up on the ASIO radar in 2016 then all their phone/email/blogging will be automatically be available to be screened retrospectively. Thy don't have the resources to screen everyone on a live basis.



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19 Dec 2015, 7:30 pm

This is a web site concerning the NSA budgets for 2011-2017.This graph shows the budget of the US National Security Agency in line with the US National Intelligence Program for fiscal years 2011 to 2017.Budget of the U.S. National Security Agency in line with the U.S. National Intelligence Program for fiscal years 2011 to 2017 (in billion U.S. dollars)
http://www.statista.com/statistics/2835 ... ty-agency/

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19 Dec 2015, 7:46 pm

cyberdad wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
In the US its a bit different. You need to a special judge to authorize a wire tap. If the government has to have just cause(which in this case they might) they most likely get it since Farook's parents are already on the Terrorist watch list.


Our national security is run by ASIO (Australian Secret Intelligence Organisation) and they have authority to screen anyone deemed a risk. As part of the national security measures (post-9-11) they are provided access to all electronic media (including phones). For instance if somebody comes up on the ASIO radar in 2016 then all their phone/email/blogging will be automatically be available to be screened retrospectively. Thy don't have the resources to screen everyone on a live basis.



We still need a court order because of the Fourth Amendment Constitutional rights of the individual.



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19 Dec 2015, 8:08 pm

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This is a web site concerning the NSA budgets for 2011-2017.This graph shows the budget of the US National Security Agency in line with the US National Intelligence Program for fiscal years 2011 to 2017.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/2835 ... ty-agency/
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re: the NSA budgets...what do you think of this unusual coincidence?
Donald Rumsfeld Announces 2.3 Trillion Dollars Missing from Pentagon | CBS News (Sept 10th, 2001)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ZOGzs9xSs
The next morning the Pentagon is hit in the exact location where budget analysts were trying to track down the missing money, killing analysts and destroying records.



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19 Dec 2015, 8:11 pm

Who knows. BTW:Budget of the U.S. National Security Agency in line with the U.S. National Intelligence Program for fiscal years 2011 to 2017 (in billion U.S. dollars).In fiscal year 2013, the NSA's budget totaled to 10.7 billion US dollars. In 2017 the budget will be projected to 9.95 billion dollars, It is these types of cuts that its hampering our monitoring of terrorists.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2835 ... ty-agency/



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20 Dec 2015, 10:38 am

The NSA budget is still secret. I don't believe your German statistics website actually has this information.



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20 Dec 2015, 7:02 pm

Adamantium wrote:
The NSA budget is still secret. I don't believe your German statistics website actually has this information.




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20 Dec 2015, 7:58 pm

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Adamantium wrote:
The NSA budget is still secret. I don't believe your German statistics website actually has this information.




You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink


Spouting irrelevant aphorisms doesn't make a false claim true.

Two pertinent items:
1. The numbers that you are linking to are behind a $50 paywall.

2. Statista doesn't claim to know the NSA budget. They claim the figures that you can't see are "in line with the US National Intelligence Program for fiscal years 2011 to 2017. In fiscal year 2013, the NSA's budget totaled to 10.7 billion US dollars."

Why do they give a number for 2013? Because that's the year that was covered in Snowden's releases.

Why do they say the rest of the years are "in line with the National Intelligence Program?" Because the NIP Is public information, but it's the aggregate of many programs. The specific breakdowns are not public. Statista is presenting guesses based on the Snowden leaks and the aggregate public information that is released. But there is no evidence that these guesses are accurate. Nor does it make them a sound basis for an argument about the President's personal preferences in the matter.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... ain-secret



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20 Dec 2015, 8:20 pm

I am not going to get into a battle with you. Its a waste of my time.



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31 Dec 2015, 7:57 pm

I hope so, I really do.......

These people are scary.


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