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Quoted from bush. money trumps peace sometimes.

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So to make sure that we don't automatically demonize our President, our Vice President, and whatever the hell Rice is, we simply fail to analyze the nature of their connections with big oil and other big business and how much money each one will personally receive because of the attacks on Iraq.

Rice is the Secretary of State.

Investigate away at who President Bush, Vice President Cheney and the rest of the cabinet used to work for. However the mere fact that these people happened to work in the oil industry, or some other industry does not in of itself constitute evidence that the reason they backed an invasion of Iraq was merely for profit. Keep in mind that from my perspective at this point that what you appear to be proposing is a conspiracy in which President George Bush lied for the actual reasons for war, and that his and that of what I would presume that the actual reasons of several of his Cabinet members are to personally benefit from the lost lives and treasure of not only the United States, but it's allies, and the Iraq. Such activity, if proven, would be abuse of power at the highest degree and penalized with abuse of power, removal from office, and criminal prosecution.

When one proposes a conspiracy one must come forth with evidence that can override countering evidence that appears. Thus, that fact that the current sovereign Iraqi government (perhaps you believe this is actually a puppet government) is reported in the press to have negotiated oil contracts the majority of which will be going to Asian countries that had already had dealings with Saddam is something that must be countered. The reason it must be countered is because this is a logical thing for a sovereign independent Iraq to do. Such action is designed to show to buyers that they are willing to show consideration in regards to previous agreements.

Of course, one can argue that such a press report is simply propaganda from a puppet government but that is more then simply stating those words. This is only a small part the arguments that need to be dealt with. Another is why is a company like Haliburton, which is the best in the world at what is does and got no-bid contracts under the Clinton administration.

I'm not going to bother to argue this with you any further.

Well, apart from some grammatical jumbling...
["and that his and that of what I would presume that the actual reasons of several of his Cabinet members"]
["and the Iraq."]
["abuse of power at the highest degree and penalized with abuse of power"]

...You sum it up quite well. Yes, that's what half of America and most of the world believe. If our government were working as the founding fathers intended, the impeachment and criminal prosecutions would probably be about done by now, even allowing for the complete stonewalling that characterizes this administration when forced to produce documents and testify before that supposedly co-equal branch of government, the Congress.

I confess I'm having trouble understanding where you're coming from. I can allow for naivete, misinformation, even Republican propaganda masquerading as legitimate argument, but there is so much supporting information out there, in (what you might disdain as "Liberal") media and websites, plus books (many from disillusioned former administration officials) and foreign media, that it truly strains credulity to imagine that you're drawing a blank, and that I should have to google these things for you. Perhaps you've been living in a Republican bubble, thoroughly brainwashed and have had no access to honest, unbiased media all these years? I have the feeling that even if I researched and produced a documentary film explaining the whole thing in detail, exposing the corruption, naming all the names, it wouldn't matter.

Case in point, what did you think of Fahrenheit 9/11? Have you seen it, or will you just parrot the vicious hateful Repub smear machine telling you that Michael Moore hates America? He makes an awful lot of careful points that much of America and the world was eager to hear about*, almost three years ago now. You want me to catch you up? Why should I have to?

Or another documentary film, "Hijacking Catastrophe", which "examines how a radical group of neo-conservative leaders has used the trauma of the 9/11 terror attacks to advance a pre-existing agenda to radically transform American foreign policy while rolling back civil liberties and social programs at home. Narrated by Julian Bond, featuring Pentagon whistle-blower, Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, former Chief UN Weapons Inspector, Scott Ritter, Daniel Ellsberg, and many others. Examines how the neo-conservative agenda has influenced this administration, diverting attention from Afghanistan and leading us into war with Iraq."

Dare I offer the real underlying motivations for "Operation Iraqi Liberation" (I read somewhere this was Bush's original name for the invasion - note the acronym.) OIL, hegemony, and war profiteering. (Do you have any IDEA how much money there is in armaments contracts?) You'd challenge me to educate you on all this, with your affected hostile naivete?

Ok, books. Here's just one of many: "House of Bush, House of Saud" on the connections between the world's two most powerful dynasties - http://www.houseofbush.com ...Even the slightest acquaintance with this realpolitik makes some of your assertions above ("the mere fact that these people happened to work in the oil industry") truly laughable. With worldwide power, behind-the-scenes deals & influence and the finest lawyers money can buy, you dare even suggest that a few petty local laws impede their gains in the slightest degree?

It's late, I'm tired, good night.

*Fahrenheit 9/11 holds the record for highest box office receipts by a general release documentary, despite Repub attempts to keep it out of theaters. And the DVD broke records for the best-sold documentary ever. I mention these facts in advance of your inevitable disdain and partisan dismissal. Many, many people wanted to hear the truth, which the lapdog American corporate media (and Iraq invasion cheerleaders) weren't delivering.

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He hasn't had to! Until three months ago, his lapdog Congress, the shrill vicious Repub hate machine, the obedient corporate media, the 9/11 hysteria, the endless mendacious lies (like Godless Liberals Hate America and Support Our Troops Means No Criticism, Ever) not to mention stacking the Judiciary, has pretty well covered their asses. (It's so much better when it still looks like a democracy, don't you think? If you weren't paying attention, you might never know your phone calls and emails are being monitored, they can find out what books you're reading, they've assembled huge databases of citizen information...)

(BTW, doesn't outing a CIA agent in partisan retaliation seem to suggest they feel above the law?)


(Bitter laughter.) AT LAST, the American public got to throw much of the Repub Culture of Corruption out, and now we have an almost balanced Congress. Now we can start the long process of correcting 6 years of filthy greedy Repub mismanagement and spending like drunken sailors. (Where did all that money go? To Repub campaign supporters and cronies. Didn't that used to be called corruption? Yes. Can we get any of it back or prosecute the thieves? I'm not holding my breath.) That was OUR money, yours and mine! They stole it from US, the middle class, to enrich those who already had more than enough.


FINALLY!! !! And IF any meaningful prosecution of their crimes comes about, that's when you'll see those reprehensible actions you tossed out above, or maybe another "terrorist attack" to rally emergency support. (No, I don't trust them; given their behavior and complete lack of scruples, neither should you.)


Yet King George continues ignoring the will of the people and "staying his course", serving his special interests: the rich, corporate, energy, business elite.


MEANINGFUL opposition means we can actually impeach and prosecute criminals.

So, have you learned anything?