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01 Jan 2016, 9:26 pm

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my fear is that he will end up in the white house anyways, as an appointed cabinet member overseeing the destruction of PPACA.


Only if a Republican gets elected.

which is a strong possibility.



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01 Jan 2016, 9:33 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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my fear is that he will end up in the white house anyways, as an appointed cabinet member overseeing the destruction of PPACA.


Only if a Republican gets elected.

which is a strong possibility.


I sincerely hope not.


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01 Jan 2016, 9:36 pm

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well he was a neurosurgeon .... they think pretty highly of themselves.


As they should. I had brain surgery in 2014 and that surgeon is my hero.



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01 Jan 2016, 9:40 pm

^^^chances are, [if you're American] if you didn't have a Cadillac plan, you would not have been able to receive that neurosurgeon's services.



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01 Jan 2016, 10:50 pm

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The same will happen to Donald Trump; it may just take a little longer.

Nope that's not going to happen. Unlike Carson, Trump has traveled around the world, seen the border, built a business and hired.

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The race I think is going to be the most interesting is Hillary v. Bernie.

zzzzzzzz they are losers with low energy!! !



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02 Jan 2016, 12:11 am

AntDog wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
The same will happen to Donald Trump; it may just take a little longer.

Nope that's not going to happen. Unlike Carson, Trump has traveled around the world, seen the border, built a business and hired.

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The race I think is going to be the most interesting is Hillary v. Bernie.

zzzzzzzz they are losers with low energy!! !


What is this low energy crap? Nobody talked about such a thing till Trump started flapping his gums about it as an insult.


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02 Jan 2016, 2:39 am

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a big reason the GOP does so well in America, can be expressed in a statement h. l. Mencken made a century back: "no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public" - or in what adlai Stevenson said in 1956, when responding to a reporter's statement, "you have the votes of all thinking people" to which adlai replied, "but I need a majority to win."


And to think, you used to complain that I looked down my nose at people...


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02 Jan 2016, 2:44 am

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What is this low energy crap? Nobody talked about such a thing till Trump started flapping his gums about it as an insult.


IIRC, he originally hung the label on Jeb Bush, to mock both his lackluster campaign and his ridiculous "Jeb!" styling, I'd imagine. Trump certainly has a way with insults, and in today's media saturated environment, they're often better than a well thought out policy statement. It's like the political version of 'if it bleeds it leads'.


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02 Jan 2016, 3:49 am

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What is this low energy crap? Nobody talked about such a thing till Trump started flapping his gums about it as an insult.


IIRC, he originally hung the label on Jeb Bush, to mock both his lackluster campaign and his ridiculous "Jeb!" styling, I'd imagine. Trump certainly has a way with insults, and in today's media saturated environment, they're often better than a well thought out policy statement. It's like the political version of 'if it bleeds it leads'.


Well, that says as much about "today's media saturated environment" as it does about Trump, that his insults get more air time than policy statements. And if he wins the Presidency, we'll have some bullying jackass spouting insults rather than coming up with plans to fix things.


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02 Jan 2016, 9:03 am

Carson will probably be out after Iowa I think



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02 Jan 2016, 11:52 am

GOOD! :x



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02 Jan 2016, 2:55 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if more of Carson's aides leave Carson behind, which in turn, will cause Carson to drop out of the Republican field.


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02 Jan 2016, 9:01 pm

Praise Be! :thumleft:



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02 Jan 2016, 10:08 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, that says as much about "today's media saturated environment" as it does about Trump, that his insults get more air time than policy statements.


Indeed, though I've long suspected that policy and positions are less important than people like to think, at least in the TV era. Policy is boring, a guy that insults people to their face, now that's good television.

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And if he wins the Presidency, we'll have some bullying jackass spouting insults rather than coming up with plans to fix things.


I don't know if that's really a worse situation than our current one. Have plans done much good in in combating political gridlock? A Trump type figure insulting his party into order might actually be more effective than a more conventional approach, and at the least it would be entertaining.

Incidentally, that's the big missing piece in both Clinton and Sanders' campaign pitches, how electing them and their grand visions is going to magically flip the House, which at the moment is an impenetrable obstacle, and will be for the foreseeable future.


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02 Jan 2016, 10:35 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, that says as much about "today's media saturated environment" as it does about Trump, that his insults get more air time than policy statements.


Indeed, though I've long suspected that policy and positions are less important than people like to think, at least in the TV era. Policy is boring, a guy that insults people to their face, now that's good television.

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And if he wins the Presidency, we'll have some bullying jackass spouting insults rather than coming up with plans to fix things.


I don't know if that's really a worse situation than our current one. Have plans done much good in in combating political gridlock? A Trump type figure insulting his party into order might actually be more effective than a more conventional approach, and at the least it would be entertaining.

Incidentally, that's the big missing piece in both Clinton and Sanders' campaign pitches, how electing them and their grand visions is going to magically flip the House, which at the moment is an impenetrable obstacle, and will be for the foreseeable future.


But then, what's the alternative to explaining policy that very possibly will get stalled in congress? I still want to know what politicians will do, rather than just hear them promise how their solution to some problem will be "HUGE," then bad mouthing every other candidate, and demonizing some unpopular minority.


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03 Jan 2016, 1:16 am

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But then, what's the alternative to explaining policy that very possibly will get stalled in congress? I still want to know what politicians will do, rather than just hear them promise how their solution to some problem will be "HUGE," then bad mouthing every other candidate, and demonizing some unpopular minority.


You think they actually do anything but tell you what you want to hear and then try and amass personal power? Trump is the devil to you now, but not that long ago he was saying things you'd like to hear, while Hilary said a lot of things you wouldn't like; it's all just a game.


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