KC mass murderer caught, once deported illegal alien
10 Mar 2016, 2:07 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I have no problem with Border Patrol grabbing cartel drug runners or human traffickers.The majority of the meth in this country is now produced by the cartel,no more mom and pop labs.I wish they could stop the flow of it,such a nasty drug.
I'm sure the corruption there is why some people flee,if I thought my family might get whacked by the cartel I'd pack up and leave.Its an act of desperation to leave your home and everything you have ever know and go somewhere new where you don't speak the language.So I feel compassionate n for the illegals that are here quietly,just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.Of course the ones that commit crimes should be sent back,but there's really no good way to keep them from just crossing back over .
I'm sure the corruption there is why some people flee,if I thought my family might get whacked by the cartel I'd pack up and leave.Its an act of desperation to leave your home and everything you have ever know and go somewhere new where you don't speak the language.So I feel compassionate n for the illegals that are here quietly,just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.Of course the ones that commit crimes should be sent back,but there's really no good way to keep them from just crossing back over .
It's very easy to have compassion when it doesn't personally effect you and it's out of sight, Arizona is a border state and it's a serious problem here and it causes problems in major metropolitan area but only for a certain class of people the suits in Washington like to say they care about but really don't.
This isn't a hard problem to solve, it's just something that needs the wherewithal to do and compared to our adventures overseas which only got us thousands of dead and wounded Americans and trillions in debt while making us less safe. We got to the moon, Eisenhower actually did the same thing with way less resources.
There are 7 billion people on this planet and if given a choice, probably 4 billion would move to the US or Europe and if we allowed then it cease being a US or western civilization. Most of these people are far worse conditions then that in Mexico which is a very rich country but with incredible inequality. These people have homes, they have leaders, they need to stand up for their rights and the US finally standing up to the corrupt Mexican government that is bleeding us dry would be the best thing that ever happened to that country. We need to take care of America that is suffering, not the rest of the world.
It's not just the Mexican government that has its flaws....there is also all that cartel and drug related corruption south of the border as well. How does a regular person successfully stand up to that, especially if they're an impoverished Mexican citizen? I imagine it's easy for americans who don't have to deal with cartel run areas or the chance of being gunned down or maimed from being at the wrong place at the wrong time on a regular basis to say 'they just have to stand up for their rights'.
Also if you think its Mexico that's the biggest drain of this Nations wealth think again, just another distraction from the weathy elite 1% who are the real ones bleeding us dry. I guess if everyone gets all riled up about mexico then the wealthy elite can just keep keeping on like they always do which includes their part in the conditions of mexico since Corporate exploitation by U.S corporations runs rampant south of the border as well. It will be great the wealthy elite can keep sucking the common people dry, whilst still exploiting people in mexico as well as illegals here and south America so that it remains a 3rd world area while having everyone convinced its the Mexicans bleeding us dry.
Like I said, there are 7 billion people on this planet and most would love to live in this country or in Europe but it can't happen, do you want your QoL to be averaged out with the rest of the world? Mexicans aren't even allowed to own guns, which should tell you something about the effectiveness of gun control, and it isn't to keep the streets safe but rather their elites. The elites of North America want to erase our borders and create a North American Union, some people try to call it a conspiracy theory but it is right in front of our eyes with NAFTA, go look up Vicente Fox I think we've heard his name recently comment on that subject. You are being emotionally manipulated by these exploiters who own the media who want their infinite flow of third world labor to keep a constant downward pressure on wage and benefits. This is literally how certain people argued against ending slavery in the South, this same paternalistic reasoning but it needs to end. The American worker is punished and the illegal immigrant is exploited, taking off this spigot IS punishing the 1%ers in this country. It's all part of the same problem.
10 Mar 2016, 3:15 pm
Jacoby wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I have no problem with Border Patrol grabbing cartel drug runners or human traffickers.The majority of the meth in this country is now produced by the cartel,no more mom and pop labs.I wish they could stop the flow of it,such a nasty drug.
I'm sure the corruption there is why some people flee,if I thought my family might get whacked by the cartel I'd pack up and leave.Its an act of desperation to leave your home and everything you have ever know and go somewhere new where you don't speak the language.So I feel compassionate n for the illegals that are here quietly,just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.Of course the ones that commit crimes should be sent back,but there's really no good way to keep them from just crossing back over .
I'm sure the corruption there is why some people flee,if I thought my family might get whacked by the cartel I'd pack up and leave.Its an act of desperation to leave your home and everything you have ever know and go somewhere new where you don't speak the language.So I feel compassionate n for the illegals that are here quietly,just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.Of course the ones that commit crimes should be sent back,but there's really no good way to keep them from just crossing back over .
It's very easy to have compassion when it doesn't personally effect you and it's out of sight, Arizona is a border state and it's a serious problem here and it causes problems in major metropolitan area but only for a certain class of people the suits in Washington like to say they care about but really don't.
This isn't a hard problem to solve, it's just something that needs the wherewithal to do and compared to our adventures overseas which only got us thousands of dead and wounded Americans and trillions in debt while making us less safe. We got to the moon, Eisenhower actually did the same thing with way less resources.
There are 7 billion people on this planet and if given a choice, probably 4 billion would move to the US or Europe and if we allowed then it cease being a US or western civilization. Most of these people are far worse conditions then that in Mexico which is a very rich country but with incredible inequality. These people have homes, they have leaders, they need to stand up for their rights and the US finally standing up to the corrupt Mexican government that is bleeding us dry would be the best thing that ever happened to that country. We need to take care of America that is suffering, not the rest of the world.
Maybe I'm not in a border state,but we have Tyson's.They drew in lots of illegals to northwestern Ar.When my son was born in a hospital in Sgringdale,(one known as Chickendale)there was no Hispanic population.A few years later that was different.A huge influx of cheap labor.What I saw was slum lords renting places I wouldn't let my dogs stay in to people who had no legal rights to complain about their living condition.Most people don't want a job that requires you to stand in an assembly line sucking the guts out of chickens,or working in Tyson's disgusting factory farms.So Tyson's brought in workers to fill the jobs that no one wanted.
I was talking to an off duty cop in the cafe years back when the illegals first showed up.He did have a funny story about it.They had a van load of illegals in custody and no one had ever dealt with this situation.One of the deputies said "Jesus!" Several of the illegals responded with "Si"?
One thing I have noticed is that most Hispanics are devoted to their families,they send money home to support them.My neighbor is first generation American,the daughter of migrant farm workers.One of the nicest persons I know,always brings homemade tamales to neighbor's at Christmas.She disciplined her kids with an iron fist,she believed in spanking and hard work.All the kids turned out great,one was Valedictorian at the school,all went on the college and lead successful lives.
Another funny story about her kids,they had a construction job as teens and I guess someone made a remark about them.They told their Mom that the people thought they were Mexicans.She had to tell them they were.lol
So if you want to stop the flow of illegals,crack down on the people that hire then for low wages.They come here for the jobs,remove them and you solve the problem.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/20/us/ty ... rkers.html
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10 Mar 2016, 3:28 pm
More info on the meat industry and illegals.
https://www.hrw.org/reports/2005/usa0105/7.htm
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10 Mar 2016, 4:11 pm
Mexicans are a great people with an admirable culture that beats my own people's in many regards but that is really besides the point, the issue is with illegal immigration and the exploitation of the legal importation of foreign workers. The reason Americans don't want these jobs is because they don't pay enough, have no benefits, and are often in unsafe unsanitary work environments so why are you okay with big business exploiting people this way and hurting our country? They are using this bleeding heart rhetoric to manipulate you.
10 Mar 2016, 5:24 pm
Jacoby wrote:
Mexicans are a great people with an admirable culture that beats my own people's in many regards but that is really besides the point, the issue is with illegal immigration and the exploitation of the legal importation of foreign workers. The reason Americans don't want these jobs is because they don't pay enough, have no benefits, and are often in unsafe unsanitary work environments so why are you okay with big business exploiting people this way and hurting our country? They are using this bleeding heart rhetoric to manipulate you.
I'm not ok with big business exploiting people.Not sure where you got that idea.Off course they should pay a living wage,but they care more about the dollar than the people that work for them.So they hire cheaper labor becuse they can get away with it.So punish the corporations,not the people that work for them,or the migrant lured to the jobs.If Tyson's smuggles people over the border to work cheap,it's not the workers fault.Its Tyson's.
At one time they did treat the local people well,the provided a van that would pick people up from rural areas to work at the chicken plant.It really helped people out with the gas bill.The jobs around here are around an hours drive away,and most don't pay all that good compared to the rest of the country.
The meat industry has a history of exploiting its workers.The Jungle is a good read on this subject.
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10 Mar 2016, 5:31 pm
Jacoby wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I have no problem with Border Patrol grabbing cartel drug runners or human traffickers.The majority of the meth in this country is now produced by the cartel,no more mom and pop labs.I wish they could stop the flow of it,such a nasty drug.
I'm sure the corruption there is why some people flee,if I thought my family might get whacked by the cartel I'd pack up and leave.Its an act of desperation to leave your home and everything you have ever know and go somewhere new where you don't speak the language.So I feel compassionate n for the illegals that are here quietly,just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.Of course the ones that commit crimes should be sent back,but there's really no good way to keep them from just crossing back over .
I'm sure the corruption there is why some people flee,if I thought my family might get whacked by the cartel I'd pack up and leave.Its an act of desperation to leave your home and everything you have ever know and go somewhere new where you don't speak the language.So I feel compassionate n for the illegals that are here quietly,just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.Of course the ones that commit crimes should be sent back,but there's really no good way to keep them from just crossing back over .
It's very easy to have compassion when it doesn't personally effect you and it's out of sight, Arizona is a border state and it's a serious problem here and it causes problems in major metropolitan area but only for a certain class of people the suits in Washington like to say they care about but really don't.
This isn't a hard problem to solve, it's just something that needs the wherewithal to do and compared to our adventures overseas which only got us thousands of dead and wounded Americans and trillions in debt while making us less safe. We got to the moon, Eisenhower actually did the same thing with way less resources.
There are 7 billion people on this planet and if given a choice, probably 4 billion would move to the US or Europe and if we allowed then it cease being a US or western civilization. Most of these people are far worse conditions then that in Mexico which is a very rich country but with incredible inequality. These people have homes, they have leaders, they need to stand up for their rights and the US finally standing up to the corrupt Mexican government that is bleeding us dry would be the best thing that ever happened to that country. We need to take care of America that is suffering, not the rest of the world.
It's not just the Mexican government that has its flaws....there is also all that cartel and drug related corruption south of the border as well. How does a regular person successfully stand up to that, especially if they're an impoverished Mexican citizen? I imagine it's easy for americans who don't have to deal with cartel run areas or the chance of being gunned down or maimed from being at the wrong place at the wrong time on a regular basis to say 'they just have to stand up for their rights'.
Also if you think its Mexico that's the biggest drain of this Nations wealth think again, just another distraction from the weathy elite 1% who are the real ones bleeding us dry. I guess if everyone gets all riled up about mexico then the wealthy elite can just keep keeping on like they always do which includes their part in the conditions of mexico since Corporate exploitation by U.S corporations runs rampant south of the border as well. It will be great the wealthy elite can keep sucking the common people dry, whilst still exploiting people in mexico as well as illegals here and south America so that it remains a 3rd world area while having everyone convinced its the Mexicans bleeding us dry.
Like I said, there are 7 billion people on this planet and most would love to live in this country or in Europe but it can't happen, do you want your QoL to be averaged out with the rest of the world? Mexicans aren't even allowed to own guns, which should tell you something about the effectiveness of gun control, and it isn't to keep the streets safe but rather their elites. The elites of North America want to erase our borders and create a North American Union, some people try to call it a conspiracy theory but it is right in front of our eyes with NAFTA, go look up Vicente Fox I think we've heard his name recently comment on that subject. You are being emotionally manipulated by these exploiters who own the media who want their infinite flow of third world labor to keep a constant downward pressure on wage and benefits. This is literally how certain people argued against ending slavery in the South, this same paternalistic reasoning but it needs to end. The American worker is punished and the illegal immigrant is exploited, taking off this spigot IS punishing the 1%ers in this country. It's all part of the same problem.
Hence why the U.S as well as Europe should ensure its not contributing to horrid conditions in these other places people want to move to Europe and the U.S from in the form of corporate exploitation of labor and resources in them, Before people act like Mexican immigrants themselves are the entire problem.
And forgive me if I have some compassion for desperate immigrants that are more fleeing than willfully moving to a new country at their leisure. I have much less compassion for any that come over to cause trouble or to try and bring cartel/gang B.S from their country here....but that hardly describes all the immigrants, let alone their children. How do you figure one has to be emotionally manipulated to have compassion for humans in rough/difficult situations? I actually don't let the media tell me how to feel. Also my whole point is its not mexico and it's immigrants that are the main culprit of wealth draining, that would be the wealthy elite 1% who exploit labor and resources world wide and hog all of that they can as well as most of this nations wealth . If anything the people blaming our economic trouble on the mexicans, and outright ignoring the wealthy elites contribution to the problem have been emotionally manipulated by the media. Also the throwing logic out the window when it comes to discussing immigrants have been emotionally manipulated by fear mongering from the media.
A good example of this is 'see an illegal immigrant got charged with murder, that means trump is right about immigrants.'
Does that mean all those people that imply those with aspergers are all potential mass shooters because of the couple mass shooters the past few years who had aspergers are also right?
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10 Mar 2016, 7:05 pm
Turning off the spigot of illegal labor and the exploitation of legal foreign workers is absolutely necessary if you want to punish the ruling class of this country, they are the people that benefit and advocate on it's behalf. America does not take care of it's own people, it's own infrastructure, you should know how poorly the needy in this country. Big business want to keep you poor, they want to keep labor cheap and if the labor pool is finite then they have to raise pay and benefits. Thee people have become richer whereas society has gotten poorer and this is a big part of the reason why.
