German train company starts to offer 'women-only' carriages
Your argument that some women object to manspreading does not demonstrate that.
There is no objective source.
There is plenty of women constantly complaining on traditional and social medias on how men behave in public and on public transit.
They didn't object to manspreading, they got a very unsettling law passed into being in NYC with no defined parameters on what way is illegal for men to sit on public transit and subway.
Those women they polled and interviewed promised to take this fight nationwide and have it enacted in every state and/or at the federal level.
There are numerous polls and data in the U.S. and other Western countries that show half of all female respondents feel unsafe, oppressed, and uncomfortable around men.
I mean the U.S. is the country where a 13 year old boy in September kissed a girl on dare at school, was suspended and charged with second assault charges (trial hasn't happened yet). This is in Maryland.
It received huge media coverage in September and garnered wide support from women and feminist, especially online who are calling for him to be put on the sexual offenders registry.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/education/ ... are/nndNz/
Also this is the same country that suspended a 6 year old boy from school because he kissed a 6 year old girl on the cheek in class. This happened 2 years go.
It was widely debated in the media and the police at the time whether this constituted sexual assault under the law.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24692 ... ssing-girl
There has been loads of stories like these over the past few years of boys in school and college getting punished for PDA and unwanted PDA in the U.S. alone, many if not the majority were charged under the rape and sexual assault laws.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the U.S., Canada, UK and EU mandate separate vehicles for men and women in order to protect the right of women.
I mean you can get found guilty of rape in the U.S., Canada, and UK without any physical evidence and witnesses.
You'd be surprised how far the women rights/feminist movement have gone.
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Your argument that some women object to manspreading does not demonstrate that.
There is no objective source.
There is plenty of women constantly complaining on traditional and social medias on how men behave in public and on public transit.
They didn't object to manspreading, they got a very unsettling law passed into being in NYC with no defined parameters on what way is illegal for men to sit on public transit and subway.
Those women they polled and interviewed promised to take this fight nationwide and have it enacted in every state and/or at the federal level.
There are numerous polls and data in the U.S. and other Western countries that show half of all female respondents feel unsafe, oppressed, and uncomfortable around men.
I mean the U.S. is the country where a 13 year old boy in September kissed a girl on dare at school, was suspended and charged with second assault charges (trial hasn't happened yet). This is in Maryland.
It received huge media coverage in September and garnered wide support from women and feminist, especially online who are calling for him to be put on the sexual offenders registry.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/education/ ... are/nndNz/
Also this is the same country that suspended a 6 year old boy from school because he kissed a 6 year old girl on the cheek in class. This happened 2 years go.
It was widely debated in the media and the police at the time whether this constituted sexual assault under the law.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24692 ... ssing-girl
There has been loads of stories like these over the past few years of boys in school and college getting punished for PDA and unwanted PDA in the U.S. alone, many if not the majority were charged under the rape and sexual assault laws.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the U.S., Canada, UK and EU mandate separate vehicles for men and women in order to protect the right of women.
I mean you can get found guilty of rape in the U.S., Canada, and UK without any physical evidence and witnesses.
You'd be surprised how far the women rights/feminist movement have gone.
The "manspreading" bylaw in NYC applies to women who take up too much space as well. Just because you misunderstand the bylaw and it's application (a woman taking up two seats by putting her bags on the seat next to her when there are people standing who would like to sit down would get a ticket--not arrested--just like a man sitting with his legs spread too wide taking up more than one seat would get a ticket--not arrested) does not mean "women in the US are demanding their own segregated train cars". Also, in a rape trial (at least in Canada) the testimony of the victim is considered witness evidence--though almost no one is ever convicted on the basis of victim testimony alone (just look at the recent Ghomeshi trial--he was completely acquitted because the judge didn't consider the testimony of 3 separate victims as valid evidence).
You are letting your misunderstanding of various laws and bylaws get you whipped up into hysteria about nothing. Take a breath and calm down.
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Your argument that some women object to manspreading does not demonstrate that.
There is no objective source.
There is plenty of women constantly complaining on traditional and social medias on how men behave in public and on public transit.
They didn't object to manspreading, they got a very unsettling law passed into being in NYC with no defined parameters on what way is illegal for men to sit on public transit and subway.
Those women they polled and interviewed promised to take this fight nationwide and have it enacted in every state and/or at the federal level.
There are numerous polls and data in the U.S. and other Western countries that show half of all female respondents feel unsafe, oppressed, and uncomfortable around men.
I mean the U.S. is the country where a 13 year old boy in September kissed a girl on dare at school, was suspended and charged with second assault charges (trial hasn't happened yet). This is in Maryland.
It received huge media coverage in September and garnered wide support from women and feminist, especially online who are calling for him to be put on the sexual offenders registry.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/education/ ... are/nndNz/
Also this is the same country that suspended a 6 year old boy from school because he kissed a 6 year old girl on the cheek in class. This happened 2 years go.
It was widely debated in the media and the police at the time whether this constituted sexual assault under the law.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24692 ... ssing-girl
There has been loads of stories like these over the past few years of boys in school and college getting punished for PDA and unwanted PDA in the U.S. alone, many if not the majority were charged under the rape and sexual assault laws.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the U.S., Canada, UK and EU mandate separate vehicles for men and women in order to protect the right of women.
I mean you can get found guilty of rape in the U.S., Canada, and UK without any physical evidence and witnesses.
You'd be surprised how far the women rights/feminist movement have gone.
The "manspreading" bylaw in NYC applies to women who take up too much space as well. Just because you misunderstand the bylaw and it's application (a woman taking up two seats by putting her bags on the seat next to her when there are people standing who would like to sit down would get a ticket--not arrested--just like a man sitting with his legs spread too wide taking up more than one seat would get a ticket--not arrested) does not mean "women in the US are demanding their own segregated train cars". Also, in a rape trial (at least in Canada) the testimony of the victim is considered witness evidence--though almost no one is ever convicted on the basis of victim testimony alone (just look at the recent Ghomeshi trial--he was completely acquitted because the judge didn't consider the testimony of 3 separate victims as valid evidence).
You are letting your misunderstanding of various laws and bylaws get you whipped up into hysteria about nothing. Take a breath and calm down.
That's not what the media has been reporting since the law has been in place.
In most U.S. States, the victim's testimony is enough to get a conviction on any of the degrees of rape.
Many U.S. states have multiple degrees of rape, which have different acts classified as rape which include unwanted kissing.
Yes people have been charged with rape because they kissed a woman.
Only first degree rape is forced penetration in most U.S. states.
I'm not being hysterical.
I've literally since 5th grade in the early 1990s, have had to sit through numerous mandatory sensitivity training to learn how to appropriately behave around women. it was mandated for all males in each grade level starting in 5th grade through high school in my school district.
Girls were not required to go through any form of sensitivity lessons.
Same thing happened on each year in college (went to 3 of them).
Women didn't have sensitivity training to go to.
Also the rules in public schooling and college served to protect women from men, girls from boys in the schools I went to during my life.
Girls were given a slap on the wrist for the most part for doing stuff against boys and men.
Sweden has been in a heavy debate since last summer over whether or not to make it illegal for men to stand up and pee.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/1 ... 90572.html
Germany is going through something similar right now, forcing the courts to intervene while the Bundenstag debates wehter or not to take up the issue of how men pee.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ge ... tanding+up
Here is the German sign that prohibits men from standing up and peeing.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... up/384754/

This train car will be the most popular train car as German women feel very unsafe and insecure in their country as they keep reporting on the BBC and interviewing German women.
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So, women in America have NOT been asking for segregated train cars. Ok.
There is no objective source, meaning it's all opinion based and said news articles and polls will reflect the leanings of the base.
There is no objective news source and polling source in the U.S.
You can't get objective sources on social and election issues.
I can post numerous articles claiming the majority of Americans hate Trump, but there is no objective factual proof that anyone hates Trump.
I mean there is a proposal to segregate Detroit Public Schools on sex, ending the existing co-ed school.
It's one of the proposals as part of the plan to fix Detroit Public School District, it based on findings that girls learn better when in girls only schools.
But we shall see if Michigan goes that route with Detroit Public Schools (it's under state control).
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Either this is a case of a German train company trying to accommodate Islamic immigrants who believe the sexes need to be separated, or, as has been suggested, this is being done out of fear of rampant sexual assaults committed by immigrant sex offenders (no, I'm not blaming all Muslims for this, only a few). If it's for the latter, then the German police need to crack down on those trash, rather than a private company just circumventing the problem.
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Your argument that some women object to manspreading does not demonstrate that.
There is no objective source.
There is plenty of women constantly complaining on traditional and social medias on how men behave in public and on public transit.
They didn't object to manspreading, they got a very unsettling law passed into being in NYC with no defined parameters on what way is illegal for men to sit on public transit and subway.
Those women they polled and interviewed promised to take this fight nationwide and have it enacted in every state and/or at the federal level.
There are numerous polls and data in the U.S. and other Western countries that show half of all female respondents feel unsafe, oppressed, and uncomfortable around men.
I mean the U.S. is the country where a 13 year old boy in September kissed a girl on dare at school, was suspended and charged with second assault charges (trial hasn't happened yet). This is in Maryland.
It received huge media coverage in September and garnered wide support from women and feminist, especially online who are calling for him to be put on the sexual offenders registry.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/education/ ... are/nndNz/
Also this is the same country that suspended a 6 year old boy from school because he kissed a 6 year old girl on the cheek in class. This happened 2 years go.
It was widely debated in the media and the police at the time whether this constituted sexual assault under the law.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24692 ... ssing-girl
There has been loads of stories like these over the past few years of boys in school and college getting punished for PDA and unwanted PDA in the U.S. alone, many if not the majority were charged under the rape and sexual assault laws.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the U.S., Canada, UK and EU mandate separate vehicles for men and women in order to protect the right of women.
I mean you can get found guilty of rape in the U.S., Canada, and UK without any physical evidence and witnesses.
You'd be surprised how far the women rights/feminist movement have gone.
The "manspreading" bylaw in NYC applies to women who take up too much space as well. Just because you misunderstand the bylaw and it's application (a woman taking up two seats by putting her bags on the seat next to her when there are people standing who would like to sit down would get a ticket--not arrested--just like a man sitting with his legs spread too wide taking up more than one seat would get a ticket--not arrested) does not mean "women in the US are demanding their own segregated train cars". Also, in a rape trial (at least in Canada) the testimony of the victim is considered witness evidence--though almost no one is ever convicted on the basis of victim testimony alone (just look at the recent Ghomeshi trial--he was completely acquitted because the judge didn't consider the testimony of 3 separate victims as valid evidence).
You are letting your misunderstanding of various laws and bylaws get you whipped up into hysteria about nothing. Take a breath and calm down.
That's not what the media has been reporting since the law has been in place.
In most U.S. States, the victim's testimony is enough to get a conviction on any of the degrees of rape.
Many U.S. states have multiple degrees of rape, which have different acts classified as rape which include unwanted kissing.
Yes people have been charged with rape because they kissed a woman.
Only first degree rape is forced penetration in most U.S. states.
I'm not being hysterical.
I've literally since 5th grade in the early 1990s, have had to sit through numerous mandatory sensitivity training to learn how to appropriately behave around women. it was mandated for all males in each grade level starting in 5th grade through high school in my school district.
Girls were not required to go through any form of sensitivity lessons.
Same thing happened on each year in college (went to 3 of them).
Women didn't have sensitivity training to go to.
Also the rules in public schooling and college served to protect women from men, girls from boys in the schools I went to during my life.
Girls were given a slap on the wrist for the most part for doing stuff against boys and men.
Sweden has been in a heavy debate since last summer over whether or not to make it illegal for men to stand up and pee.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/1 ... 90572.html
Germany is going through something similar right now, forcing the courts to intervene while the Bundenstag debates wehter or not to take up the issue of how men pee.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ge ... tanding+up
Here is the German sign that prohibits men from standing up and peeing.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... up/384754/

This train car will be the most popular train car as German women feel very unsafe and insecure in their country as they keep reporting on the BBC and interviewing German women.
You are definitely hysterical and making little sense. No one thinks unwanted kissing is rape--it's usually called sexual assault, because it is an assault of a sexual nature (that's right--you don't have the right to kiss someone else who doesn't want you to kiss them, and if you force them to kiss you when they don't want to they can charge you with assault, as it would be in any reasonable place).
I see there is little reasoning with you as you have no sources to back up your claims (which keep changing from post to post), so I won't be responding further. Have a good day!
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Except that "women have been fighting for this even in the U.S." is not an opinion statement. It is either true or not true, and you're admitting that you made it up.
I have no problem with it as an option for women.Many women have their kids and babies with them and this would be a more friendly enviroment to breast feed or deal with a crying kid.Maybe have diaper changing stations,kid friendly stuff.But I think that men traveling with small children should also have the option to use it.
Its not a big deal with older kids,they don't want to sit next to their parents anyway.Soooo embarrassing to have to sit next to mom or dad.
The kids could interact so they would be so bored.The rest of the passengers on the train would be spared the sound of a cranky infant wailing.They have quiet cars,I think it could be a good idea.
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I think if they want to have a car for those who feel unsafe and want extra protection then they should have the car and have it staffed with a guard but it should be open to anyone who feels unsafe. Some men feel unsafe on public transport too. Also small people, handicapped people, people who have been injured or sick, or whatever and would be targets for crime.
I'm female and 52 and don't feel any need for any special protection pretty much anywhere. But then I'm one of those terrible people who feel like those who can should learn to defend themselves and I also know that the difference in size and strength between women amd men does not in any way mean the man always wins. Even if the girl is unarmed.
We aren't delicate flowers. The women of my mother's generation fought and fought for people to stop treating us all like we were delicate and special. Don't undo all that just because you were born too late to burn your bra and call yourself a women's libber and shock the world by using Ms and are looking for something to fight about.
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I'm giving it another shot. We will see.
My forum is still there and everyone is welcome to come join as well. There is a private women only subforum there if anyone is interested. Also, there is no CAPTCHA.
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