April 26th primary results| T&C Sweep?

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26 Apr 2016, 11:47 pm

The Democrats will not be back in the majority any time soon, they have slight chance at taking back the Senate but the House is on lockdown. Trump will defeat Hillary, she is hated by too much of America and they do not hate Trump, Trump will take a large part of the Democratic electorate, win independents, the amount of country club Republicans that will abandon Trump is minuscule compared to the new voters he can attract to the Republican party. Trump hasn't even gotten started with Hillary yet, just wait.



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27 Apr 2016, 12:18 am

I read Bernie's reddit page and Democratic Underground sometimes, these people will not support Hillary. On Reddit, I didn't see really hardly anybody saying they will vote for Hillary and in fact a lot of them are saying the only way to change Democratic party is by not backing it's nominee. Some are saying they will support Jill Stein but significant portion are also saying they might back Donald Trump, I imagine quite a few will stay home too. Bad, bad news for Hillary who will lose independents, is hating like no other by Republicans, hated by working class whites who traditionally voted Democrat, and now Bernie's young followers. Hillary can't win, it doesn't matter what some bogus poll says right now. Trump will win in a landslide.



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27 Apr 2016, 3:47 am

Well, now that the nomination appears to be somewhat certain for both the Democrats and Republicans, it might be interesting to compare the relative strengths of Clinton and Trump to Obama and Romney in 2012.

Here are the head-to-head polls from 2012 and 2016, respectively, starting from 1 year before the election (November).

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... html#polls
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html (dynamic link, may update)

As evident above, Clinton has a larger edge over Trump than Obama had over Romney in April 2012. Clinton currently has almost a 10 point lead (April 2016) compared to Obama's approx. 4 point lead in April 2012.

We have yet to see how the effect of the shifting campaign focus towards the general election will affect the standing of either candidate... but Clinton looks to be in a comfortable position to claim the presidency in November, as she is somewhat further ahead of the Republican opposition than Obama was in the same month in 2012.



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27 Apr 2016, 3:57 am

Trump will destroy the Clinton dynasty just like he destroyed the Bush one

look up how Ronald Reagan was doing against Jimmy Carter in the polls, that was with a strong third party "moderate" candidate as well

Simply put Hillary doesn't have the demographics, she will lose independents by a wide margin and there will be a large part of the Democratic electorate the can be peeled off by a Trump candidacy. People are really underestimating the amount of hatred there is in this country for Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders has some passionate fans but lets be real about it and admit that a healthy percentage of those Bernie supporters simply oppose Hillary and will no matter what.

The Republican opposition to Trump simply isn't real, Beltway Republicans do not represent the base of the party but only rather a microscopic fraction. Now that fraction has a lot of money and influence of course, it seems Hillary is poised to gain their support as already being signals by the neoconservatives and crony capitalists. Hillary will lose the white vote worse than Obama, she won't be able to get the minority vote to turn out or get the same margins as Barack Obama. The Democrats put their whole lot in on identity politics forgetting that the white working class still makes up the majority of this country and anybody watching the Democratic race would see that party no longer welcomes them.

This election is looking a lot like 1980 all over



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27 Apr 2016, 4:14 am

... furthermore, a recent poll (N = 2,200) shows that Latino voters are more enthusiastic about voting in 2016 than in 2012.

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http://thehill.com/latino/277207-trump- ... os-to-vote
http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/70 ... Posted.pdf

... This will likely add a significant amount of voters to the Hillary Camp as (1) the Latino/Hispanic share of the US population is increasing and (2) Latino/Hispanic voters really, really, really, really dislike Trump (as evidenced by these excerpts from the above poll):

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27 Apr 2016, 4:41 am

Hispanics already voted like 75% for Obama, that's about as close as a bloc as Hispanics(which is a very diverse grouping) will get in this country whereas the white vote has become increasingly Republican. So the question is will turnout increase and if the primaries are any indication then the answer is a resounding NO, the Democrats have lost millions of voters this year while the GOP has gain millions. Trump will be stronger with minorities than anticipated because his economic message will resonate, minorities don't vote based on the social issues that they are on the wrong side of with our media that likes to obsess about like abortion or gay rights. Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, he signed welfare reform, he signed that crime bill, Hillary will be running away from both her and her husbands entire life record in politics.



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27 Apr 2016, 5:51 am

If you are an anti Trump republican time to choose how you are going to vote for Hillary.
1. Staying home
2. Trying to start a third party which will never happen party too divided.
3. Vote outright for Hillary

If you are in a disability rights or immigrant rights group time to appreciate the second amendment. You also have a lesser of two evils choice
1. lose members due to attacks and bullying
2. lose members because of the fees you are going to charge to hire armed and cyber security.

By the way Trump might be in legal trouble before Hilary. This is not getting much play nationally by the very progressive democrat New York State attorney general has an active investigation into Trump University.
N.Y. Attorney General Eric Schneiderman says case against Trump University is ‘a straightforward fraud case’


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27 Apr 2016, 7:09 am

GGPViper wrote:
... furthermore, a recent poll (N = 2,200) shows that Latino voters are more enthusiastic about voting in 2016 than in 2012.

Source:
http://thehill.com/latino/277207-trump- ... os-to-vote
http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/70 ... Posted.pdf

... This will likely add a significant amount of voters to the Hillary Camp as (1) the Latino/Hispanic share of the US population is increasing and (2) Latino/Hispanic voters really, really, really, really dislike Trump (as evidenced by these excerpts from the above poll):


The article you cite states : "Turnout among Hispanics is usually low, particularly among millennials — almost half of eligible Latino voters — and many live in states that are not battlegrounds, such as California or Texas".
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So, more Hispanics may not mean much.



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27 Apr 2016, 7:52 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
... furthermore, a recent poll (N = 2,200) shows that Latino voters are more enthusiastic about voting in 2016 than in 2012.

Source:
http://thehill.com/latino/277207-trump- ... os-to-vote
http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/70 ... Posted.pdf

... This will likely add a significant amount of voters to the Hillary Camp as (1) the Latino/Hispanic share of the US population is increasing and (2) Latino/Hispanic voters really, really, really, really dislike Trump (as evidenced by these excerpts from the above poll):


The article you cite states : "Turnout among Hispanics is usually low, particularly among millennials — almost half of eligible Latino voters — and many live in states that are not battlegrounds, such as California or Texas".
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So, more Hispanics may not mean much.

One word: Florida.



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27 Apr 2016, 10:04 am

As I said, Hispanics do not vote as a bloc. Hispanic is not one race or one people, it is many and they all don't have the same beliefs of priorities. In Florida for example as I'm sure you know many of the Hispanics are actually relatively right wing Cubans, Puerto Ricans and many from South America reside in Florida as well whereas here in Arizona it is mostly Mexicans and Central Americans. I believe there are a decent amount of Mexicans in Florida too as many work on the farms down there but I do not know how many of them are actually legal or are eligible to vote. Hispanics in general will lean Democratic but I don't see it getting worse than it did with Obama especially considering Trump's economic message to will appeal to poorer voters. Trump has unusual strength in Florida given his appeal to the Northeasterners and Southern voters that make up so much of the Florida electorate, there is a reason he won that state so dominantly even against one of it's Hispanic 'favorite son's'.

Blacks vote in a bloc, over 90% for one candidate and they turned out in massive numbers to vote for Barack Obama which made a tremendous difference. I do not think we'll see the same level of enthusiasm from the black community for Hillary even tho she has the support of the black political establishment on lock down. The community is obviously unhappy and I don't think many really like Hillary all too much especially when you start digging into her record. I believe Trump will receive a larger portion of the black vote than any Republican in my lifetime, he'll be the first one to seriously try to appeal to them and actually have a message that can resonate because blacks out of everybody I think will be among the most helped by Trump's policies.

The electoral map will get redrawn, polls at this moment mean very little.



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27 Apr 2016, 12:43 pm

I don't listen to the dishonest polls, they had Romney winning and we know what happened!! !