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04 May 2007, 4:24 pm

Thank you for the reference. I only knew a little about this kind of stuff, obviously not as much as you. If you are Christian here's a good link :arrow: TexeMarrs.com. if not he still has some fairly good articles. later I have to go to work



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04 May 2007, 4:46 pm

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Thank you for the reference. I only knew a little about this kind of stuff, obviously not as much as you. If you are Christian here's a good link :arrow: TexeMarrs.com. if not he still has some fairly good articles. later I have to go to work


Thanks, ill chat with you again. 8)


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06 May 2007, 2:41 pm

12 U.S. Soldiers Killed in Iraq Attacks

By RAVI NESSMAN
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BAGHDAD (AP) — A roadside explosion outside the Iraqi capital on Sunday killed six American soldiers and a journalist, the military said, among 12 U.S. deaths reported on a day when two car bombs killed at least 44 Iraqis at a Baghdad market and a police headquarters.

A car bomb in the capital, where U.S.-led forces are in the midst of a crackdown on sectarian violence, killed at least 30 Iraqis. At the police headquarters in Samarra, a volatile city in the Sunni heartland 60 miles north of Baghdad, a car bomb and shooting attack killed 12 police - including the police chief.

American soldiers racing to the headquarters to help also came under attack by small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades that left two soldiers wounded, the military said.
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Bombs kill 8 U.S. troops, journalist in Iraq

By Ibon Villelabeitia and Dean Yates
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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Eight American soldiers were killed in Iraq on Sunday, including six who died along with a European journalist in a roadside bomb attack north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

In a statement, the military said the deadliest incident took place in volatile Diyala province. It said the bomb hit a vehicle that the soldiers and the journalist were travelling in.

U.S. military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Christopher Garver said the journalist was European and worked for a news organization that did not have a permanent presence in Baghdad. He declined to give more information.

Many foreign reporters have been embedding with U.S. military units during a U.S.-backed security crackdown in and around Baghdad that began in February.

The attack in Diyala, where the U.S. military recently sent around 1,000 reinforcements to fight entrenched al Qaeda militants and Sunni Arab insurgents, was one of the worst single attacks against U.S. forces in months.

Two other U.S. soldiers were killed in separate bomb attacks on Sunday, the military said, including one in Baghdad.


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06 May 2007, 3:52 pm

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The end of the 1991 Iraq war which ended on 28 February 1991 until the May 1 2003 declaration of ceasefire is precisely 4445 days...one day removed from 4444 days.

EDIT- Here is the 4444 days ...this from Wikipedia - One hundred hours after the ground campaign started, President Bush declared a cease-fire and on February 27 declared that Kuwait had been liberated.

The word God appears 4444 times in the KJV of the Bible.


If this is to suggest the senior President Bush intended some type of religious symbolism or crusade or something like that, it's worth noting that George Herbert Walker Bush, unlike his son, seems to be a normalish Episcopalian who didn't mention his religion that much. His son is a Methodist (the religion of his wife) who certainly would appear to be more religious (although he hasn't hyped on it as much as it is often claimed, and has done so less then most modern Presidents).

Of course if either of the Bush's had wanted a crusade they might have used the word crusade* repeatedly (he used the word once in a non-religious way, I believe off-the-cuff), and invoked religiously language, and not, as Bush the son has, noted repeatedly that "Islam is a religion of peace."

*I understand the word "Crusade" has clear religious connotations when translated to Arabic. In English the meaning, when not taken literally (as in "The Crusades") can be referred to in a non-religious way. For example, General Eisenhower referred to the invasion of France as "a great crusade." I'm sure most of you know this but a few first-non english speakers might not (just I wouldn't understand every detail of Korean, ect...)



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06 May 2007, 4:24 pm

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manalitwist wrote:
The end of the 1991 Iraq war which ended on 28 February 1991 until the May 1 2003 declaration of ceasefire is precisely 4445 days...one day removed from 4444 days.

EDIT- Here is the 4444 days ...this from Wikipedia - One hundred hours after the ground campaign started, President Bush declared a cease-fire and on February 27 declared that Kuwait had been liberated.

The word God appears 4444 times in the KJV of the Bible.


If this is to suggest the senior President Bush intended some type of religious symbolism or crusade or something like that, it's worth noting that George Herbert Walker Bush, unlike his son, seems to be a normalish Episcopalian who didn't mention his religion that much. His son is a Methodist (the religion of his wife) who certainly would appear to be more religious (although he hasn't hyped on it as much as it is often claimed, and has done so less then most modern Presidents).

Of course if either of the Bush's had wanted a crusade they might have used the word crusade* repeatedly (he used the word once in a non-religious way, I believe off-the-cuff), and invoked religiously language, and not, as Bush the son has, noted repeatedly that "Islam is a religion of peace."

*I understand the word "Crusade" has clear religious connotations when translated to Arabic. In English the meaning, when not taken literally (as in "The Crusades") can be referred to in a non-religious way. For example, General Eisenhower referred to the invasion of France as "a great crusade." I'm sure most of you know this but a few first-non english speakers might not (just I wouldn't understand every detail of Korean, ect...)


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Skull and Crossbones c.1947, GHW Bush left of clock.

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Do you really think it coincidence about the 555 days and the 4444 days?

You overlook that both father and son are members of a super elite Yale frat club the skull and bones or the cult of death as its knnown. Its number is 322. Incidentaly the world drug trade UN figure for 2003, the same year as the Iraq war was valued at 322 billion dollars. Interesting for the reason that the skull and bones was heavily involved in drug running - opium - to China in the 1800's.

As you may be aware, the skull and bones being apparently, judging by the photo to be somewhat masonic as well as rather morbidly strange and exclusive. The Freemasons use numerology as a hidden code in their deeds.

You are barking up the wrong tree when you make such a big deal of the word Crusade i have to say. Things are not a case of Christian versus Muslim as rather Occult cult versus monotheistic world religions.


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06 May 2007, 4:37 pm

Bush Supports Cross-hating Movement
21 December 2004 Both President Bush and his father have expressed their support for a group of mostly black church leaders that endorses the practice of throwing the cross into the trash – literally. Writes Gorenfeld, "This [cross removal], movement leaders said, cleared the way for a new age and second messiah." Last week, the movement's leaders presided over a Washington prayer breakfast featuring messages of thanks from both Bush presidents. Image



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06 May 2007, 4:40 pm

Bush 'Worship' at Shinto Temple Troubles Christians in Japan and U.S.
19 February 2002


When President Bush entered the ornately beautiful Shinto Temple erected to house the spirits of the late Emperor Meiji -- he clapped once and bowed deeply, following the common etiquette of worship at such shrines. At the same time, the Prime Minister of Japan was left sitting in the car -- forbidden from entering the shrine by a postwar constitution written by the U.S. "So the Prime Minister stayed in the limo while Bush and his wife went into the temple and clapped to awaken the demon and then bowed in worship and signed the book of worship." Image



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06 May 2007, 4:43 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbC3_VCNvnU[/youtube] White House Insider Reveals that Bush Manipulates Christians



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Blair revelations reiterate elite occult obsession
Remember the Aztec Re-birthing rituals and "channeling the light"?

Steve Watson | September 21 2005

This week's revelations in the London Independent about the obsessive "new age" activities of the Blairs reveal nothing new but serve to reiterate how our leaders are fascinated by "bizarre practices", odd ceremonies and rituals that any right minded person would find eerily occultist, certainly beyond the level an elected so called "Christian" leader should be engaging in.

Witchcraft and nail clippings: the weird world of Cherie Blair? Read the Independent article here.

Such was the eyebrow-raising nature of the claims made in Tony And Cherie, A Special Relationship that Downing Street issued a forthright denial. Writes the Independent.

So the Blairs are contending that all these claims are simply false, which is surprising given that in the past many mainstream media outlets have reported on their engagement in strange practices, were those all made up too?

Among the milder activities Cherie Blair is said to have taken jars of her own and her husband's hair and nail clippings to health guru who "dowsed" the jars by waving a pendulum over them to detect "poisons and blockages" that could affect the Blairs.

Supposedly the guru told Cherie Blair that "his pendulum could tell her when it was a good time or bad time to make major decisions."

According to encyclopedia site Everything2.com, the pendulum "...has been used for centuries in fortune-telling and as an occult device for communicating with spirits and ghosts. The seemingly spontaneous swings or rotations of the pendulum are seen as coded signals from the World Beyond."

Of course, this is not the first time we have heard of the Blairs' penchant for making major decisions via bizarre practices. In 2004 the London Times reported on the fact that Tony Blair had made political decisions based on new age readings of a hidden force called 'The Light'.

Whether the term "The Light" does or does not represent Lucifer, as it is commonly known, is an afterthought. The fact that The Prime Minister of Britain, who has made the call to partake in multiple armed conflicts around the world since 1997, makes political decisions by channeling anything is beyond the pale.

The new Book also reveals how Cherie Blair has borrowed a practice from white witchcraft and on a regular basis casts a circle, a deeply symbolic act in magic, to create ‘sacred space’.

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Another revelation details how Blair himself always keeps a gray velvet pouch in his breast pocket. It contains a small piece of red ribbon and a piece of rolled up paper. Even his closest advisors do not know its significance, but he cannot operate without it.

In 2001 The London Observer (5th Paragraph), the London Times (2nd story) and the Edmonton Journal among others reported on the Blair family holiday on the Mexican Riviera, during which the Prime Minister and his wife went through a hybrid New Age/Mayan "rebirthing ritual."

The Blairs stood outside a brick pyramid on the hotel's grounds and bowed toward each point of the compass while chanting to each of the four winds. The Pyramid and the compass are of course both ancient elite symbols that have been adopted by secret societies such as the Freemasons in more recent times.

They then moved around the outside of the pyramid, one façade at a time, praying first to the Mayan symbols of the sun and baby lizards, signifying spring and childhood. They then prayed to another wall, on which a bird was painted, representing adolescence, summer and freedom. One a third was a crab for maturity and autumn, and finally a serpent for winter and transformation.

Before emerging from the pyramid, the Blairs were instructed to give voice to their hopes and fears and then undergo a "rebirth." This involved smearing each other with Mayan fruits and mud and exiting a "womb" in the pyramid whilst violently screaming.

This all sounds bizarre and incredible, you couldn't make it up. Yet we have seen again and again how elite figures are obsessed with these kinds of activities. We have a full archive and Alex has infiltrated and made a full length feature film on the occult rituals that take place on an annual basis at the elite hideaway at the Bohemian Grove.

The Grove is a private 2,700 acre redwood retreat on the Russian River in Sonoma County, California. Described as the "Greatest Men's Party on Earth," the members of the Bohemian Club and international elites have been gathering in their redwoods for over 100 years. Regular visitors include the Bushes, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, Newt Gingrich, whilst past luminaries have included Former Presidents Regan and Nixon, together BEFORE they had even taken office.

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Nixon is even on record questioning the activities at the Grove, making reference to the debase, decadent attitude as well as the homosexual activity there.

The most famous ritual that occurs at the Grove every year is the Symbolic Pagan Worship of Molech–the ‘god’ of Child Sacrifice. A bound effigy is burned in a "Cremation of Care" ceremony under a 40ft Stone Owl. Remember that political figureheads from around the world attend this sacrifice ceremony. German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder wrote of his fondness for the Grove ceremonies in his Biography "Men and Power". If your neighbours were doing this in their back yard wouldn't you be slightly concerned? These people are making decisions that have global repercussions.

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A copy of a Bohemian Grove Play we obtained reiterates the obsession of the place with worship of mystical entities and rebirth, as well as hate and death.

Those in the play who have renounced goodness and love worship "The Great Hate Chief" who rules with iron fist and without conscience. The Great Hate Chief becomes embroiled in a struggle with forces of goodness and conscience that reside beyond the Grove.

On the reverse of the 1914 publication appears the ancient Swastika symbol, which was later adopted by the German National Socialist Party under Hitler.

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Swastika is a compound of su -- a particle meaning 'auspicious,' 'blessed,' 'virtuous,' 'beautiful,' and 'rightly'; and astika derived from the verb-root as -- to be; hence 'that which is blessed and excellent.' The Swastika is a very archaic and sacred symbol which can be found in the religious relics of every ancient nation, for it depicts the whole story of the cosmos and man, their contrasting dual aspects, the four directions of space, the revolution of worlds, cyclic progression, and the union of spirit and matter at the heart of things. In H. P. Blavatsky's words:

Within its mystical precincts lies the master-key which opens the door of every science, physical as well as spiritual. It symbolizes our human existence, for the circle of life circumscribes the four points of the cross, which represent in succession birth, life, death, and IMMORTALITY. -- The Secret Doctrine,II, 556-7

As such it's also the sign of the circular movement, the sign of rebirth. It also signifies those who knew about reincarnation (Samsara), who spread all over the world and where they stayed they exerted their influence.

The Elite seem to be obsessed with the idea of rebirth and everlasting cycles, both ancient Pagan themes.

At the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.

The Thule society was The German Brotherhood of Death Society. Adolf Hitler joined this society in 1919, becoming an adept under the leadership of Dietrich Eckhart. The US branch of this Brotherhood of Death is known as Skull and Bones, members of which include Both Bushes and recent Democratic nominee John kerry. Skull and Bones itself is an offshoot of the Bohemian Grove.

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We have covered reports in the mainstream media over the years that have exposed the bizarre occult initiation rituals that Skull and Bones members have to go through. Such rituals include lying naked in coffins, mock throat slitting and screaming THE HANGMAN EQUALS DEATH! THE DEVIL EQUALS DEATH!
DEATH EQUALS DEATH!’

This obsession with the occult and death is a running theme. Clearly our so called leaders have a taste for this kind of thing that runs much deeper than some sort of new age mumbo jumbo curiosity. Going back to the Blairs, why would they deny all such activities on their part should it just be "new age" experimentation?

It seems that with absolute power comes an urge to tap into the dark side of humanity and any kind of underworld that lies beyond. It is therefore not surprising that our so called leaders and decision makers that have led us into a period of intense conflict and disharmony around the world are the same people who pander to and in many cases engage in such dark occult activities.


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06 May 2007, 5:27 pm

Clarification -

Wikipedia data is used and a date duration is calculator utilized for the following information.

CALCULATION A - Date of land invasion start 1991 till land invasion start 2003

(Operation Desert Storm) began on January 17, 1991,

The 2003 invasion of Iraq began on March 20,

= 4445 Days - click here to verify


CALCULATION B

End of Iraq war 1991 28 February Until

End of Iraq war 2003 on May 1

=

4445 DAYS - Click Here To Verify


CALCULATION C

2nd Iraq war duration , from 20 March till 1 May is 1 month 11 days , the number 111 is powerful in some occult societies. May 1 is the occult pagan day of Beltaine. The duration is also 42 days some would say this signifies the completion of the elements experienced via darkness.



Calculation e

9/11 Until Iraq war 2003 is 555 days


sCALCULATION C

Iraq war 1 start of bombing till ceasefire is also very surprisngly the exact same duration of 1 month 11 days as the 2nd Iraq war. Coincidence do you think...

Calculation D

9/11 Until Iraq war 2003 is 555 day


sort it out yourselfs im too tired :lol:


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06 May 2007, 5:43 pm

ImageImageIn this photo from a radical Jewish Lubavitcher web site, President Bush waves on the way to his Jewish Talmud class. He was accompanied by former White House spokesman and recently ordained Rabbi, Ari Fleischer. Sources confirm that the President is a Jewish religious fanatic. Image



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06 May 2007, 5:55 pm

manalitwist wrote:
You overlook that both father and son are members of a super elite Yale frat club the skull and bones or the cult of death as its knnown. Its number is 322. Incidentaly the world drug trade UN figure for 2003, the same year as the Iraq war was valued at 322 billion dollars. Interesting for the reason that the skull and bones was heavily involved in drug running - opium - to China in the 1800's.


meh...I don't feel like looking up conspiracy stuff.

Skull and Bones is just like a special Fraternity. That's all. Yes, he and his father, and John Kerry were members (also President William Howard Taft MUHAHAHAHA!! ! He was REALLY FAT!! !!)

It's known as the Cult of Death? I didn't no that? Who said it was?

:lol: Skull and Bones is NOT heavily involved into really Opium into China in the 1800s. The British were...but geeze!

You know the Skull and Bones symbol looks like a Pirates Flag. I wonder if Skull and Bones are connected to the Pirates.

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As you may be aware, the skull and bones being apparently, judging by the photo to be somewhat masonic as well as rather morbidly strange and exclusive. The Freemasons use numerology as a hidden code in their deeds.


Uh...the Freemasons, of course. I wonder if The Founding Fathers (I put them in capital letters because I pray to them at night as my gods) are involved somehow since some of them as freemasons.

They were sort of a silly drinking club founded in Boston, or Philadelphia (I forget). They spread to London. That's it. They are losing members now and have opened themselves up to women. BIG CONSPIRACY. They have a secret number (it's a open secret, if you Google it you will find it).

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You are barking up the wrong tree when you make such a big deal of the word Crusade i have to say. Things are not a case of Christian versus Muslim as rather Occult cult versus monotheistic world religions.


Fair enough. But it isn't the occur. George Bush condemned the decision for the military to have Wiccans include under the chaplains regs. He said they weren't a real religion (he hasn't tried to change the decision though). For the record, I very much believe he was wrong. But then again I am a member of the Bohemian Grove.

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Bush Supports Cross-hating Movement
21 December 2004 Both President Bush and his father have expressed their support for a group of mostly black church leaders that endorses the practice of throwing the cross into the trash – literally. Writes Gorenfeld, "This [cross removal], movement leaders said, cleared the way for a new age and second messiah." Last week, the movement's leaders presided over a Washington prayer breakfast featuring messages of thanks from both Bush presidents.


What is the source on this? OK, I looked it up. Apparently it was originally on WorldnetDaily. What is this about?

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Two sponsors of last week's breakfast, the International and Interreligious Federation of World Peace and the American Family Coalition, are both affiliated with Moon.


Well, that explains it. Moon as it Sun-Yung Moon. More...

Quote:
The columnist says Bush sent a "warm letter" of support presented at the breakfast by a state senator, in which the president and first lady sent best wishes to the sponsors -- and thanked them for rallying his "armies of compassion."


President Bush sends large amounts of thank you letter for people who donate money to charity. I have seen people before who have then used those letter to imply endorsement from the White House. In this case, it seems that this article is implying that President Bush is endorsing this religious body, which is not obvious since the complete letter is not presented.

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Bush 'Worship' at Shinto Temple Troubles Christians in Japan and U.S.
19 February 2002


When President Bush entered the ornately beautiful Shinto Temple erected to house the spirits of the late Emperor Meiji -- he clapped once and bowed deeply, following the common etiquette of worship at such shrines. At the same time, the Prime Minister of Japan was left sitting in the car -- forbidden from entering the shrine by a postwar constitution written by the U.S. "So the Prime Minister stayed in the limo while Bush and his wife went into the temple and clapped to awaken the demon and then bowed in worship and signed the book of worship."


Is it possible President Bush was merely trying to show respect? Is that a logical explanation? He is the head of state.

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White House Insider Reveals that Bush Manipulates Christians


Much of the video involves more subjective policy issues however I will deal with Karl Roves comments. First Karl Rove is not the President (although many will doubtlessly object that he basically is). Second, the fact that Rove, and possibly Bush think that some Christian leaders are objectionable does not mean they cannot work with them on shared policy goals. Far-left Democrats and Far-right Republicans occasionally find agreement and work together.

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This week's revelations in the London Independent about the obsessive "new age" activities of the Blairs reveal nothing new but serve to reiterate how our leaders are fascinated by "bizarre practices", odd ceremonies and rituals that any right minded person would find eerily occultist, certainly beyond the level an elected so called "Christian" leader should be engaging in.

Witchcraft and nail clippings: the weird world of Cherie Blair? Read the Independent article here.

Such was the eyebrow-raising nature of the claims made in Tony And Cherie, A Special Relationship that Downing Street issued a forthright denial. Writes the Independent.


Perhaps the denial is a truthful denial. Or perhaps it is a lying denial. I have no idea. Although to be honest Tony Blair, or his wife religious habit's aren't rally my concern.

manalitwist wrote:
Of course, this is not the first time we have heard of the Blairs' penchant for making major decisions via bizarre practices. In 2004 the London Times reported on the fact that Tony Blair had made political decisions based on new age readings of a hidden force called 'The Light'.


Nancy Reagan, and (I think) Ronald Reagan read the astrology section. Nancy took it seriously. Lincoln was into that sort of thing too.

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Whether the term "The Light" does or does not represent Lucifer, as it is commonly known, is an afterthought. The fact that The Prime Minister of Britain, who has made the call to partake in multiple armed conflicts around the world since 1997, makes political decisions by channeling anything is beyond the pale.


What a completely logical presumption for a newspaper of record!

manalitwist wrote:
The new Book also reveals how Cherie Blair has borrowed a practice from white witchcraft and on a regular basis casts a circle, a deeply symbolic act in magic, to create ‘sacred space’.


Ooo, it "reveals..." I wonder if the newspaper and the book publisher and owned by the same company.

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his all sounds bizarre and incredible, you couldn't make it up. Yet we have seen again and again how elite figures are obsessed with these kinds of activities. We have a full archive and Alex has infiltrated and made a full length feature film on the occult rituals that take place on an annual basis at the elite hideaway at the Bohemian Grove.

The Grove is a private 2,700 acre redwood retreat...


Isn't that odd. There were talking about the Blairs (the headline was about them) and now they are talking about the Bohemian Grove. Tony Blair isn't a member of the Bohemian Grove. What is going on?

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Nixon is even on record questioning the activities at the Grove, making reference to the debase, decadent attitude as well as the homosexual activity there.


Hmm...probably because of Nixon's personal distaste for homosexual behavior. Don't get me wrong, I can deal with two guys walking on the street but...well better leave that alone.

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The most famous ritual that occurs at the Grove every year is the Symbolic Pagan Worship of Molech–the ‘god’ of Child Sacrifice. A bound effigy is burned in a "Cremation of Care" ceremony under a 40ft Stone Owl. Remember that political figureheads from around the world attend this sacrifice ceremony. German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder wrote of his fondness for the Grove ceremonies in his Biography "Men and Power". If your neighbours were doing this in their back yard wouldn't you be slightly concerned? These people are making decisions that have global repercussions.


Not unless it effected their decision making. Notice 'god' is in, well, you see. IT'S A BIG SECRET CONSPIRACY!! !

manalitsist]Those in the play who have renounced goodness and love worship "The Great Hate Chief" who rules with iron fist and without conscience. The Great Hate Chief becomes embroiled in a struggle with forces of goodness and conscience that reside beyond the Grove.

On the reverse of the 1914 publication appears the ancient Swastika symbol, which was later adopted by the German National Socialist Party under Hitler.[/quote]

Also, the symbol was common in Hinduism which I guess means Hinduism and Nazism are actually oddly similar somehow.

[quote="manalitisit wrote:
The Elite seem to be obsessed with the idea of rebirth and everlasting cycles, both ancient Pagan themes.


Or the elite are interested in getting drunk off their ass.

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At the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.


This is true, and then yet again, it has nothing else to do with anything else in this article.

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The Thule society was The German Brotherhood of Death Society. Adolf Hitler joined this society in 1919, becoming an adept under the leadership of Dietrich Eckhart. The US branch of this Brotherhood of Death is known as Skull and Bones, members of which include Both Bushes and recent Democratic nominee John kerry. Skull and Bones itself is an offshoot of the Bohemian Grove.


Skull and Bones is NOT a branch of The German Brotherhood of Death Society, or at least there is no evidence of it. It is illogical to say that Skull and Bones is an offshoot of the Bohemian Grove since Skull and Bones is far older then the Bohemian Grove.

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Nothing here folks. Move along.



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06 May 2007, 6:09 pm

Good god Jimservo, you are a darks horse 8) . You can relax about that article, i just copied and pasted it in a hurry, id be glad to look over your comments and see if i can add anything. At a glance you are quite correct on a couple of points however i am sure i can come up with something, you know me :wink:

Im quite tired so i wont attempt it yet. The bohemian grove, im not even sure what exactly it is, do you have many members. Which camp . What line of work do you do if you dont mind me asking. Whats the nothing here folks move along folks thing ive seen it before.

Id much rather you turned your attention to my calculations.


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:lol: Skull and Bones is NOT heavily involved into really Opium into China in the 1800s. The British were...but geeze!

You know the Skull and Bones symbol looks like a Pirates Flag. I wonder if Skull and Bones are connected to the Pirates.

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In 1823, Samuel Russell established Russell and Company for the purpose of acquiring opium in Turkey and smuggling it to China. Russell and Company bought out the Perkins (Boston) syndicate in 1830 and moved the primary center of American opium smuggling to Connecticut. Many of the great American and European fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade.

One of Russell and Company's Chief of Operations in Canton was Warren Delano, Jr., grandfather of Franklin Roosevelt. Other Russell partners included John Cleve Green (who financed Princeton), Abiel Low (who financed construction of Columbia), Joseph Coolidge and the Perkins, Sturgis and Forbes families. (Coolidge's son organized the United Fruit company, and his grandson, Archibald C. Coolidge, was a co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations.)


The January 26, 1990 issue of THE NEW FEDERALIST revealed even more about
the Bush - one world connection. In his article, BUSH'S CHINA POLICY: SKULL
AND BONES, Joseph Brewda writes:

"Jan 19 (EIRNS)--An obscure secret society known as "Skull and Bones" may
have more to do with George Bush's obsessive support of Beijing's mass
murderers than one may think.

"Skull and Bones is a secret fraternity at Yale University which is
restricted to a mere fifteen student members per year. The society was
formed in 1832 by General William Russell, whose shipping firm later
dominated the U.S. side of the China opium trade. Yale University was
founded by Eli Yale, who made his fortune working for the opium smuggling
British East India Company.

"Skull and Bones became the recruiting grounds and preserve of the most
important New England-centered families--families who also made their money
in the opium trade. These families, whose sons regularly join Skull and
Bones, include the little known, but powerful, Coffins, Sloanes, Tafts,
Bundys, Paynes, Whitneys. They are a dominant element of the U.S. 'Eastern
Establishment' to this day. The Bush family is one of a cluster of
lower-level Establishment families controlled by these interests.

"What has this to do with Bush policy towards China--or for that matter,
Bush's "War on Drugs"? (Note: the last television news reporter to ask Bush
a critical question concerning the many narcotics agents who are
complaining about how bad the "drug war" was going, was promptly fired from
his job shortly after the press conference - Branton)

"George Bush, the first U.S. diplomatic representative to the People's
Republic of China back in 1973, was a member of Skull and Bones. So were
his father, brother, son, uncle, nephew, and several cousins. Winston Lord,
the Reagan-Bush administration Ambassador to China was a member; so were
his father and several other relatives. James Lilley, the current
Ambassador to China, was a member of Skull and Bones, as was his brother.
Except during the Carter administration, every U.S. Ambassador to Beijing
since Kissinger's deal with Mao Zedong was a member of the same tiny Yale
cult. A mere coincidence?

"MAO WAS A YALIE - Back in 1903, Yale Divinity School established a number
of schools and hospitals throughout China that were collectively known as
'Yale in China.' It has since been shown that 'Yale in China' was an
intelligence network whose purpose was to destroy the republican movement
of Sun Yat-sen on behalf of the Anglo-American Establishment. The
Anglo-American "Establishment" hated Sun, because he wanted to develop
China. On the other hand, they loved the Chinese communists because they
intended to keep China backward, and were committed to growing dope. One of
'Yale in China's' most important students was Mao Zedong.

"During World War II, 'Yale in China' was a primary instrument used by the
U.S. Establishment and its Office of Strategic Services (OSS) to install
the Maoists into power. 'Yale in China' was run by OSS operative Reuben
Holden, the husband of Bush's cousin, and also a member of Skull and Bones.

"The Maoists made China into the world's largest opium producer.
"'Yale in China' was also closely associated with the New York-based Union
Theological Seminary, which has been a center for U.S. subversion of Asia
(literal wolves in sheeps clothing - Branton). Every prominent radical
leader operating in Korea today, for example, was trained at Union
Theological. Union Theological was dominated for twenty years by Henry
Sloane Coffin, a U.S. intelligence executive from the Sloane and Coffin
families. He was a Skull and Bones member as were a dozen of his relatives.

"Nor should it be forgotten that Averell Harriman, the former Ambassador to
Moscow who did so much to build up the Soviet Union, was a member of Skull
and Bones. Harriman was also a business partner of Prescott Bush, Sr., the
father of Maoist enthusiast George Bush."

Note: This Skull and Bones - Communist connection is also confirmed by
geopolitical and economics researchers such as Dr. Antony Sutton (Sutton's
books may be obtained through THE PATRIOT REVIEW., 33836 SE Kelso Rd. #6.,
P.O. Box 596., Boring, OR 97099; OR via THE MIDNIGHT MESSENGER., P.O. Box
472., Altadens, CA 91001). Not only did the Skull and Bones (Western
Illuminati) help to build up the Communist movement in China, but they gave
considerable financial aid to the Soviet Union communists as well.
According to Sutton, this power cult has for centuries been playing a "two
ends against the middle" type of game, attempting to control America (the
thesis) and Russia (the anti-thesis) and other countries or movements,
carefully pitting them against each other at the lower levels in order to
keep the populations of the world in a state of confusion and despair, to
the point that they will - hopefully - resign themselves into accepting the
New World Order "synthesis" as the only alternative to solve the very
"problems" which THEY, the New World Order initiators, created in the first
place! One startling, though documented, claim which Mr. Sutton makes is
that the Nazi Movement was largely financed by the Skull and Bones -
Illuminati as well. This connection was recently described in a mailer
describing Val Valerian's book MATRIX III (c/o Leading Edge Research., P.O.
Box 481-MU58., Yelm, WASH 98597). Part of this mailer states:

"Interspaced with the material comes a host of data, supplementary
material, interviews, and revealing information. The 'Final Scenario' is
discussed relative to the New World Order and the plans for total economic
control, a one-world religion, and the electronic mind control objectives,
schools of thought, and research. MATRIX III brings out in detail how
various families in the United States and Europe are also involved in a
scenario which has as its main tenet the suppression and elimination of
human beings on many levels - a scenario which includes worldwide traffic
of drugs, vast laundering of drug money by national banks of several
countries, and assassination and murder. These are the people who arranged
and supported all the wars. There is discussion of the Bush family, and how
Prescott Bush assisted the finance and management of the Nazi empire - the
so-called Hitler project..."


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Documents in National Archives Prove George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor

by John Buchanan (Exclusive to the New Hampshire Gazette)
Oct 10th, 2003

WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

No Story?

For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.

The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.

The Summer of '42

The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway in New York under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran simultaneously in the New York Herald-Tribune and Washington Post on July 31, 1941. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for nearly eight months.

"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the front-page Herald-Tribune headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz Thyssen as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact, the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography, I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.

The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested Thyssen's U.S. "nest egg" in fact belonged to "Nazi bigwigs" including Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself.

Business is Business

The "bank," founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. of Holland, was Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York City. According to government documents, it was in reality a clearing house for a number of Thyssen-controlled enterprises and assets, including as many as a dozen individual businesses. UBC also bought and shipped overseas gold, steel, coal, and U.S. Treasury bonds. The company's activities were administered for Thyssen by a Netherlands-born, naturalized U.S. citizen named Cornelis Lievense, who served as president of UBC. Roland Harriman was chairman and Prescott Bush a managing director.

The Herald-Tribune article did not identify Bush or Harriman as executives of UBC, or Brown Brothers Harriman, in which they were partners, as UBC's private banker. A confidential FBI memo from that period suggested, without naming the Bush and Harriman families, that politically prominent individuals were about to come under official U.S. government scrutiny as Hitler's plunder of Europe continued unabated.

After the "Hitler's Angel" article was published Bush and Harriman made no attempts to divest themselves of the controversial Thyssen financial alliance, nor did they challenge the newspaper report that UBC was, in fact, a de facto Nazi front organization in the U.S.

Instead, the government documents show, Bush and his partners increased their subterfuge to try to conceal the true nature and ownership of their various businesses, particularly after the U.S. entered the war. The documents also disclose that Cornelis Lievense, Thyssen's personal appointee to oversee U.S. matters for his Rotterdam-based Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V., via UBC for nearly two decades, repeatedly denied to U.S. government investigators any knowledge of the ownership of the Netherlands bank or the role of Thyssen in it. Brown Brothers Harriman sent letters to the government seeking reconsideration of the seizures by using false information.

UBC's original group of business associates included George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, who had a relationship with the Harriman family that began in 1919. In 1922, Walker and W. Averell Harriman traveled to Berlin to set up the German branch of their banking and investment operations, which were largely based on critical war resources such as steel and coal.

The Walker-Harriman-created German industrial alliance also included partnership with another German titan who supported Hitler's rise, Friedrich Flick, who partnered with Thyssen in the German Steel Trust that forged the Nazi war machine. For his role in using slave labor and his own steel, coal and arms resources to build Hitler's war effort, Flick was convicted at the Nuremberg trials and sentenced to prison.

The Family Business

In 1926, after Prescott Bush had married Walker's daughter, Dorothy, Walker brought Bush in as a vice president of the private banking and investment firm of W.A. Harriman & Co., also located in New York. Bush became a partner in the firm that later became Brown Brothers Harriman and the largest private investment bank in the world. Eventually, Bush became a director of and stockholder in UBC.

However, the government documents note that Bush, Harriman, Lievense and the other UBC stockholders were in fact "nominees," or phantom shareholders, for Thyssen and his Holland bank, meaning that they acted at the direct behest of their German client.

Seized

On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.

In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities, Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC, Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses - Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261) and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp. (Vesting Order No. 259).

The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal, steel and U.S. Treasury bonds, to their foreign clients overseas between 1931-33, as Hitler engineered his rise to power.

Still No Story?

Since 1942, the information has not appeared in any U.S. news coverage of any Bush political campaign, nor has it been included in any of the major Bush family biographies. It was, however, covered extensively in George H.W. Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. Chaitkin's father served as an attorney in the 1940s for some of the victims of the Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.

The book gave a detailed, accurate accounting of the Bush family's long Nazi affiliation, but no mainstream U.S. media entity reported on or even investigated the allegations, despite careful documentation by the authors. Major booksellers declined to distribute the book, which was dismissed by Bush supporters as biased and untrue. Its authors struggled even to be reviewed in reputable newspapers. That the book was published by Lyndon LaRouche's organization undoubtedly made it easier to dismiss, but does not change the facts.

The essence of the story has been posted for years on various Internet sites, including BuzzFlash.com and TakeBackTheMedia.com, but no online media seem to have independently confirmed it.

In the 1990s, former U.S. Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor John Loftus, now honorary president of the Florida Holocaust Museum, wrote a book and launched a web site (www.john-loftus.com) which did breakthrough reporting, including establishing the link between Prescott Bush, Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and forced labor at Auschwitz. Although the widely-respected Loftus established a successful international speaking career with his information, no U.S. newspaper or major TV news program acknowledged his decade of work, nor did he ever see many of the recently released documents.

Meanwhile, the mainstream media have apparently made no attempt since World War II to either verify or disprove the allegations of Nazi collaboration against the Bush family. Instead, they have attempted to dismiss or discredit such Internet sites or "unauthorized" books without any journalistic inquiry or research into their veracity.

Loyal Defenders

The National Review ran an essay on September 1 by their White House correspondent Byron York, entitled "Annals of Bush-Hating." It begins mockingly: "Are you aware of the murderous history of George W. Bush - indeed, of the entire Bush family? Are you aware of the president's Nazi sympathies? His crimes against humanity? And do you know, by the way, that George W. Bush is a certifiable moron?" York goes on to discredit the "Bush is a moron" IQ hoax, but fails to disprove the Nazi connection.

The more liberal Boston Globe ran a column September 29 by Reason magazine's Cathy Young in which she referred to "Bush-o-phobes on the Internet" who "repeat preposterous claims about the Bush family's alleged Nazi connections."

Poles Tackle the Topic

Newsweek Polska, the magazine's Polish edition, published a short piece on the "Bush Nazi past" in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported that "the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz concentration camp," according to a copyrighted English-language translation from Scoop Media (www.scoop.co.nz). The story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.

Still Not Interested

Major U.S. media outlets, including ABC News, NBC News, CNN, The New York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times and Miami Herald, as well as Knight-Ridder Newspapers, have repeatedly declined to investigate the story when information regarding discovery of the documents was presented to them beginning Friday, August 29. Newsweek U.S. correspondent Michael Isikoff, famous for his reporting of big scoops during the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual affair of the 1990s, declined twice to accept an exclusive story based on the documents from the archives.

Aftermath

In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past. There is no record of any U.S. press coverage of the Bush-Nazi connection during any political campaigns conducted by George Herbert Walker Bush, Jeb Bush, or George W. Bush, with the exception of a brief mention in an unrelated story in the Sarasota Herald Tribune in November 2000 and a brief but inaccurate account in The Boston Globe in 2001.



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NYT: CIA holding onto Nazi papers

WASHINGTON, Jan. 30 (UPI) -- The CIA refuses to provide documents sought by the U.S. government under a law requiring disclosure of classified records related to Nazi war criminals.

Under the 1998 law, the spy agency has already provided more than 1.2 million pages of documents. Some of the papers made public last year showed a closer relationship between the U.S. government and Nazi war criminals than had previously been understood.

But for nearly three years, the CIA has nixed requests for more records, Congressional officials and some members of a government working group told The New York Times.

The officials believe the stance seems to violate the law and say the agency has sometimes agreed to provide information about ex-Nazis, but not about the extent of the agency's dealings with them after World War II.

"I think that the CIA has defied the law, and in so doing has also trivialized the Holocaust, thumbed its nose at the survivors of the Holocaust and also at Americans who gave their lives in the effort to defeat the Nazis in World War II," said Elizabeth Holtzman, a former congresswoman from New York and a member of the group.


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