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03 Aug 2016, 7:54 pm

The Rump would be an obvious first target of such an ad.



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03 Aug 2016, 7:57 pm

Eh has trump lost it? Does he want to be known as a mass murderer... what a freak.

The story of the scrooge fits that guy perfectly. Has only bags of money to keep himself company and yet he considers himself a family man and father????

Yes nukes are deterant weapons, not meant for use. Like if another country launched that would prompt a scenario of retaliation, but who wants to pull the trigger? Trump is completely out of his league in politics, he needs to gtfo asap. He doesn't even have a firm grasp of governmental debt and intercountry diplomacy. Business politics do not work on this level.


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03 Aug 2016, 9:06 pm

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Sorry, that's just too short-sighted for me to agree with. Anytime you drop a nuclear weapon you are hurting YOURSELF through radiation, as well as every other creature on the planet-- it is a no win weapon, hence the reason people don't use them anymore. Now, if we ignore those health risks, then yes we'll probably start dropping more, and eventually the species goes extinct because we haven't evolved to breathe radioactive air, nor will we adapt. So no that "collateral damage" isn't the same as a conventional weapon, not even close.


The radiation isn't of much concern for limited use. Airburst removes the local fallout; you have radiation from the casing traversing the globe, but it's really no more dangerous than anything else we do in modern society. Breathing the air in the city will be more carcinogenic; we aren't stopping that.

The problem is a full scale exchange between superpowers with multiple ground bursts (hardened bunkers and silos) with multimegaton warheads. The radiation won't kill humans and other life off, not by a long shot. Millions will die in the radiation clouds around the hit areas, however.

Sorry, but I think you need to brush up on your geology, physics, and biology before you make such outlandish claims.



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03 Aug 2016, 9:09 pm

people are starting to talk about whether or not he is not touched in the head. the GOP leadership is arranging an "intervention" where they will basically read him the riot act.



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03 Aug 2016, 9:23 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
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Sorry, that's just too short-sighted for me to agree with. Anytime you drop a nuclear weapon you are hurting YOURSELF through radiation, as well as every other creature on the planet-- it is a no win weapon, hence the reason people don't use them anymore. Now, if we ignore those health risks, then yes we'll probably start dropping more, and eventually the species goes extinct because we haven't evolved to breathe radioactive air, nor will we adapt. So no that "collateral damage" isn't the same as a conventional weapon, not even close.


The radiation isn't of much concern for limited use. Airburst removes the local fallout; you have radiation from the casing traversing the globe, but it's really no more dangerous than anything else we do in modern society. Breathing the air in the city will be more carcinogenic; we aren't stopping that.

The problem is a full scale exchange between superpowers with multiple ground bursts (hardened bunkers and silos) with multimegaton warheads. The radiation won't kill humans and other life off, not by a long shot. Millions will die in the radiation clouds around the hit areas, however.

Sorry, but I think you need to brush up on your geology, physics, and biology before you make such outlandish claims.


Yeah like if radiation gets in water supplys, um thats pretty screwed. There is some 'sick' stuff that can happen Chernobyl is the study case. That should 'never' happen again.


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03 Aug 2016, 9:25 pm

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Yeah like if radiation gets in water supplys, um thats pretty screwed. There is some 'sick' stuff that can happen Chernobyl is the study case. That should 'never' happen again.

what about Fukuskima? isn't that a "happenin' again"?



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03 Aug 2016, 9:26 pm

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people are starting to talk about whether or not he is not touched in the head. the GOP leadership is arranging an "intervention" where they will basically read him the riot act.


Alot of millionaires are a tad mad or eccentric, aren't they basically the same lol. The problem with Trump is he seems to be obsessed with ideas and power, this isn't the 1980's anymore his ideas don't work today. Money also does not automatically make a person a good politician.


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03 Aug 2016, 9:28 pm

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Yeah like if radiation gets in water supplys, um thats pretty screwed. There is some 'sick' stuff that can happen Chernobyl is the study case. That should 'never' happen again.

what about Fukuskima? isn't that a "happenin' again"?


Well in that sense i guess, i was meaning more like a nuke being used and similar effects taking place.

On that subject i read modern nuclear reactors are actually very safe today, many country's choose not to use the technology instead opting for older less safe tech because its cheaper. Terrible thing politics.


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03 Aug 2016, 9:29 pm

magnum233 wrote:
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people are starting to talk about whether or not he is not touched in the head. the GOP leadership is arranging an "intervention" where they will basically read him the riot act.


Alot of millionaires are a tad mad or eccentric, aren't they basically the same lol. The problem with Trump is he seems to be obsessed with ideas and power, this isn't the 1980's anymore his ideas don't work today. Money also does not automatically make a person a good politician.

back in roman times it was Seneca who said "there is no greatness free from some tincture of madness." so it is a relative kind of thing here, his madness is a bit too mad for the GOP leadership.



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03 Aug 2016, 9:32 pm

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Yeah like if radiation gets in water supplys, um thats pretty screwed. There is some 'sick' stuff that can happen Chernobyl is the study case. That should 'never' happen again.

what about Fukuskima? isn't that a "happenin' again"?


Well in that sense i guess, i was meaning more like a nuke being used and similar effects taking place.

On that subject i read modern nuclear reactors are actually very safe today, many country's choose not to use the technology instead opting for older less safe tech because its cheaper. Terrible thing politics.

that is why the chances are fair that we will see more nuke disasters in our time.



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03 Aug 2016, 9:33 pm

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Yeah like if radiation gets in water supplys, um thats pretty screwed. There is some 'sick' stuff that can happen Chernobyl is the study case. That should 'never' happen again.

what about Fukuskima? isn't that a "happenin' again"?


Well in that sense i guess, i was meaning more like a nuke being used and similar effects taking place.

On that subject i read modern nuclear reactors are actually very safe today, many country's choose not to use the technology instead opting for older less safe tech because its cheaper. Terrible thing politics.

that is why the chances are fair that we will see more nuke disasters in our time.


likely :/

Well unless ofcourse oil becomes some dreadful old world technology and things like hydrogen is embraced... but i doubt anytime soon cause money idiots in suits.


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03 Aug 2016, 9:34 pm

we have met the enemy, and he is us.



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03 Aug 2016, 9:36 pm

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we have met the enemy, and he is us.


lol not 'us' the enemy are individuals who have the ability to change things but choose not too. And yes they do that is how business works. But they dont want to lose 20% of the worlds wealth.


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03 Aug 2016, 9:43 pm

auntblabby wrote:
magnum233 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
people are starting to talk about whether or not he is not touched in the head. the GOP leadership is arranging an "intervention" where they will basically read him the riot act.


Alot of millionaires are a tad mad or eccentric, aren't they basically the same lol. The problem with Trump is he seems to be obsessed with ideas and power, this isn't the 1980's anymore his ideas don't work today. Money also does not automatically make a person a good politician.

back in roman times it was Seneca who said "there is no greatness free from some tincture of madness." so it is a relative kind of thing here, his madness is a bit too mad for the GOP leadership.


I'd tend to agree with that. There is certain things you dont want someone with mental disorders having access too lol. Mental disorders are not exclusive to the poor and middle class.


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03 Aug 2016, 9:43 pm

magnum233 wrote:
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we have met the enemy, and he is us.


lol not 'us' the enemy are individuals who have the ability to change things but choose not too. And yes they do that is how business works. But they dont want to lose 20% of the worlds wealth.

the enemy part of us are those of us who live in the USA who cannot be bothered to get up off of it and VOTE! a numeric minority of misguided people here elect bad pols when a majority of better people among US in the USA don't bother to get involved.



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03 Aug 2016, 9:50 pm

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magnum233 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
we have met the enemy, and he is us.


lol not 'us' the enemy are individuals who have the ability to change things but choose not too. And yes they do that is how business works. But they dont want to lose 20% of the worlds wealth.

the enemy part of us are those of us who live in the USA who cannot be bothered to get up off of it and VOTE! a numeric minority of misguided people here elect bad pols when a majority of better people among US in the USA don't bother to get involved.


I know what you mean, living in NZ i often hear people saying but what can my one vote do yet people dont seem to understand it is that very vote that could sway the voting to elect another party IE not a dick party lol.

So idiots end up getting in power because other idiots vote them in, whilst the non idiots choose to do nothing and then complain about idiots being in power lol.

- i think alot of people dont understand how politics work and what their political powers are.


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