Chelsea Manning goes on hunger strike in prison

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11 Sep 2016, 1:04 pm

I don't care what you wear, or with who. I don't mind whether it is discussed, academically, in an adult, free marketplace of ideas.

Reading my own, personal approach to this issue, you have no way of knowing whether I am a transgender, so much as sparing the innocent and oblivious from tmi.

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11 Sep 2016, 1:08 pm

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There is a difference between sissy and transgender. Being a sissy means a man who likes to pretend to be a woman and dress up as one and he feels comfortable with his gender and his gender and sex both match. People who are trans are not pretending to be a woman and they are not roleplaying like sissies are. They gender and sex do not match so they are dressing the gender they are in their brain.

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The definition has changed I quess. It used to be a pejoritive term to describe a person mostly males who are a coward or who always backs down from a fight.

Based on biology and the tradition of thousands of years, the female is the yielding, weaker vessel.

Her delicacy doesn't mean she has to be debased, per se.

But, assuming that we are so enlightened, why must some masochist wear your costume, as though it was black face, hoping to be disrespected.

You could also say, "I am a dog, kick me."

Who has lowered the bar.

In some feminist circles, Manning would be persecuted, for cultural appropriation, which is to say, mimicking them in such a way as to set a bad example.

Most women would not consider an especially-campy, gay man to be female, so much as a bad actor. You don't want to use toilets, change your clothes, and shower with him -- still acknowledging social boundaries, as it suits your own agenda.

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11 Sep 2016, 1:17 pm

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But, assuming that we are so enlightened, why must some masochist wear your costume, as though it was black face, hoping to be disrespected.

Chelsea Manning is trans. It's not a costume. You say she's "hoping to be disrespected", but in this thread, the only one who seems to be disrespecting her is you.

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11 Sep 2016, 1:22 pm

May I ask whether you're cis-female, or would you prefer not to disclose that?

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11 Sep 2016, 1:33 pm

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May I ask whether you're cis-female, or would you prefer not to disclose that?

I have LGBT friends, including a trans friend. You don't have to be L, G, B or T to sympathize with their struggles.

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11 Sep 2016, 1:35 pm

Are you telling me that you and Chelsea are the same exact thing, unconditionally, and without any qualifications, whatsoever, except that Chelsea told you so.

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11 Sep 2016, 1:49 pm

I take the lack of a clear answer, after several minutes, to mean that you want to set boundaries, but not me.

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11 Sep 2016, 1:50 pm

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Are you telling me that you and Chelsea are the same exact thing, unconditionally, and without any qualifications, whatsoever, except that Chelsea told you so.

I think that's an odd question. We are both women, yes, but is that the only thing that defines us? Chelsea and I are very different, but the important thing we have in common is our humanity. Humanity is essentially what the US military is denying her.

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I take the lack of a clear answer, after several minutes, to mean that you want to set boundaries, but not me.

Have patience. I have a life outside of WP, you know. :roll:

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11 Sep 2016, 2:03 pm

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League_Girl wrote:

The definition has changed I quess. It used to be a pejoritive term to describe a person mostly males who are a coward or who always backs down from a fight.

I was thinking of the kinky word. Men who dress up as littles in female clothing and adult baby girl clothing are known as sissies, same as for guys who must dress as a woman because it turns them on which we call crossdresser.

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11 Sep 2016, 2:16 pm

Barchan wrote:

Have patience. I have a life outside of WP, you know. :roll:

I've been eating some delicious, German food, am far less impatient with the intermission, than with battles of definition.

At the risk of pulling the de-diagnosis trigger, do autistic people really do this?

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Are you telling me that you and Chelsea are the same exact thing, unconditionally, and without any qualifications, whatsoever, except that Chelsea told you so.

Barchan wrote:

I think that's an odd question.

But, not canned.

Rhetorically speaking, and don't take this the wrong way...

You are in some place, where social nudity is tolerated -- for instance a gym shower, sauna, or dressing room.

What was your opinion on changing clothes, in front of a biological male.

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11 Sep 2016, 2:39 pm

(With it's head in the sun and feet in the shade, my peach seedling grows huge, heavy, juicy fruit. Two barely fit on my plate. I sit in a soft chair, in front of a fan, patient and magnanimous.)

No liberal, biological females have anything to say about that, even remotely resembling moral absolution, conveniently waiting on the tip of their tongue, just wanting to be said.

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11 Sep 2016, 2:44 pm

League_Girl wrote:

I was thinking of the kinky word. Men who dress up as littles in female clothing and adult baby girl clothing are known as sissies, same as for guts who must dress as a woman because it turns them on which we call crossdresser.

I called it a paraphilia, which has the same, general meaning.

But, I don't see the need to terrorize anyone over that, in and of itself.

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11 Sep 2016, 5:05 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:

Rhetorically speaking, and don't take this the wrong way...

You are in some place, where social nudity is tolerated -- for instance a gym shower, sauna, or dressing room.

What was your opinion on changing clothes, in front of a biological male.

Who I choose to show my body to is my business, not yours.

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11 Sep 2016, 8:43 pm

What does cis mean?

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11 Sep 2016, 10:00 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

What does cis mean?

That is what we both are. Both of our genders match, both our brains and our bodies.

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12 Sep 2016, 6:15 am

Always the drama. Nothing but the drama. Hope the little toad croaks.

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