US planes violate ceasefire, kill 66 Syrian soldiers

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19 Sep 2016, 6:24 pm

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The US are supporting the free Syrian army. So many rebel groups fighting in this conflict that you need to identify the good guys from the bad guys. The good guys are usually the moderates who want genuine democratic reforms and they are the first ones to be shot at in the civil war.

You mean the Free Syrian Army that shoots unarmed civilians, and has buried people alive? That Free Syrian Army? Oh, how very noble.

To claim that America is backing the FSA in the interest of "democracy" is just ridiculous. Ever notice how America only ever wants to "free" countries that have oil? It's all about oil. The US gov. doesn't care about Syrian people, just like it didn't care about Iraqi people.

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19 Sep 2016, 8:59 pm

Tit for tat IMO

Russia bombed a rebel base near US spec ops after repeated warnings a few months back.

Now, US and allies (even Oz got into it) bombed a SAA post with possible Russian advisors. They "stopped" when word came out over radio.

I highly doubt it was an accident.

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20 Sep 2016, 1:20 am

Barchan wrote:

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Do you mean an Iraqi people who suffered under a mad dictator under two expansive wars against Iran and Kuwait and who gassed his own people in the Kurdish territories of Iraq. I could on about his mass arrests and mass tortures of innocent civilians, which were only eventually stopped when the US decided to intervene.
And in your haste to blame the US and link it all to oil supply, you probably haven't noticed that the US has been developing new science in developing its vast deposits of shale oil which will make it it a net exporter of oil in the next 50 years and thus have no dependence on Middle Eastern oil.

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22 Sep 2016, 10:59 am

progaspie wrote:

Do you mean an Iraqi people who suffered under a mad dictator under two expansive wars against Iran and Kuwait and who gassed his own people in the Kurdish territories of Iraq?

I mean an Iraqi people who suffered under a mad dictator that the US helped put in power, who fought two expansive wars against Iran and Kuwait which the US supported[i], and gassed his own people [i]with chemical weapons purchased from the US. Yes, this is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about.

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I could on about his mass arrests and mass tortures of innocent civilians, which were only eventually stopped when the US decided to intervene.

Uh huh. And what about Abu Ghraib? I've read some of the US Army handbooks detailing the interrogation techniques (torture) used in Abu Ghraib. It's pretty disturbing stuff. Not to mention many cases of sexual abuse US soldiers would commit when they thought nobody was looking.

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22 Sep 2016, 5:51 pm

Barchan wrote:

progaspie wrote:

Do you mean an Iraqi people who suffered under a mad dictator under two expansive wars against Iran and Kuwait and who gassed his own people in the Kurdish territories of Iraq?

progaspie wrote:

I could on about his mass arrests and mass tortures of innocent civilians, which were only eventually stopped when the US decided to intervene.

I can't think of anyone who actually died at Abu Ghraib. On the other hand there's plenty of factual evidence of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens who were arrested, tortured, gassed and killed by Sadam Hussien. Also, where did you falsely read that the Americians helped bring Saddam Hussien to power, or did you invent that one?

Then again, I guess I'm arguing with someone who thinks President Putin is a nice guy being persecuted by the West, it was a Ukrainian jet that shot down the Malaysian commercial aircraft, ISIS was in contact with the US forces who attacked the Syrian army and there was an American drone above the Red Cross convoy bringing food supplies to Aleppo, communicating with rebel forces who attacked the convoy.

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22 Sep 2016, 9:02 pm

^^The US DID help Saddam to power. He was seen as an anticommunist who would oppose Iran. The US should have demolished Abu Ghraib, but they thought "Hey, a prison, we can use this."

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22 Sep 2016, 9:15 pm

I don't think the issue with Abu Ghraib was the physical prison but rather the people running it

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22 Sep 2016, 9:35 pm

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I can't think of anyone who actually died at Abu Ghraib.

So you never saw the infamous photograph of Sabrina Harman, smiling and giving a thumbs-up while she poses with a dead Iraqi prisoner?

Photographs taken in Abu Ghraib are a horror to behold, but I'm glad that we have them. Nobody can pretend that it didn't happen.

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where did you falsely read that the Americians helped bring Saddam Hussien to power, or did you invent that one?

I'm not a history teacher. Do your own research.

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23 Sep 2016, 4:18 am

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23 Sep 2016, 4:49 am

Barchan wrote:

progaspie wrote:

I can't think of anyone who actually died at Abu Ghraib.

progaspie wrote:

where did you falsely read that the Americians helped bring Saddam Hussien to power, or did you invent that one?

I'm not a history teacher. Do your own research.

Have you no idea of the suffering and misery of millions of displaced citizens of Syria, that your obsession with the treatment of a few prisoners in Abu Ghraib rounded up after the ghastly 9/11 attacks has taken over your reasoning?

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23 Sep 2016, 9:55 am

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Eh? But you're the one who wanted to derail the thread to talk about Saddam. Does caring about Iraq somehow mean I care less about Syria?

Of course I care about the people of Syria. I wouldn't have made this thread if I didn't :p

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23 Sep 2016, 10:39 am

Vae victis! The strong don't need to honor any agreement with the weak. It's the latter's choice to yield and live in dishonor or try to retaliate and be crushed.

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23 Sep 2016, 10:53 am

Spiderpig wrote:

Vae victis! The strong don't need to honor any agreement with the weak. It's the latter's choice to yield and live in dishonor or try to retaliate and be crushed.

Sadly this seems to be the case... Yet they say we're the violent ones.

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