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21 Sep 2016, 3:07 pm

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^^ It's not murder if an officer tells you to "Halt!", and you don't; or, if an officer tells you "Hands up", and you don't put your hands up----which, from the video, Mr. Crutcher didn't do EITHER of those things, INITIALLY. They (the officers) DID let him walk all-the-way back to his truck, before they took action----when he got to his truck, and was looking like (from the angle of the camera) he was going to open the door, or reach-through the window, they FIRST tasered him. Also, from the angle of the camera, *I* thought he was gonna reach into his car!!

His family is having a fit, because after obtaining a still from the video, showing that the window was closed, they say it was ludicrous to think he could reach-through it----but, SO WHAT; the POINT, IMO, is that he REFUSED to obey instructions!!

Why is there this endless need to make excuses for people who don't show respect for authority? If a WHITE person did this, they would get shot, TOO----and, HAVE!!


So, he was executed for not obeying instructions?


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21 Sep 2016, 5:23 pm

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^^ It's not murder if an officer tells you to "Halt!", and you don't; or, if an officer tells you "Hands up", and you don't put your hands up----which, from the video, Mr. Crutcher didn't do EITHER of those things, INITIALLY. They (the officers) DID let him walk all-the-way back to his truck, before they took action----when he got to his truck, and was looking like (from the angle of the camera) he was going to open the door, or reach-through the window, they FIRST tasered him. Also, from the angle of the camera, *I* thought he was gonna reach into his car!!

His family is having a fit, because after obtaining a still from the video, showing that the window was closed, they say it was ludicrous to think he could reach-through it----but, SO WHAT; the POINT, IMO, is that he REFUSED to obey instructions!!

Why is there this endless need to make excuses for people who don't show respect for authority? If a WHITE person did this, they would get shot, TOO----and, HAVE!!


So, he was executed for not obeying instructions?


The [black] police chief said today that he had a gun.

So, looks like the suspect was high on PCP, had a gun, which explains the officer's radio calls of "he won't show his hands", and was not obeying instructions.



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21 Sep 2016, 5:24 pm

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PCP seems like a nightmare drug, it is not surprising the guy was not cooperating or if his actions might not make sense since the guy was probably high as a kite and thought he was god. Cops don't know what the guy has in his car, it's an unfortunate situation.

Yeah, I am REALLY looking forward to the results of the Tox Screen.



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21 Sep 2016, 5:43 pm

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It's not murder if an officer tells you to "Halt!", and you don't; or, if an officer tells you "Hands up", and you don't put your hands up
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----but, SO WHAT; the POINT, IMO, is that he REFUSED to obey instructions!!

Really ... it's punishable by death in your country to walk with your hands up to your car. This whole obey instructions thing is a cop out. Why don't these cops just engage their common sense.

Like I said before, if one doesn't obey police, they risk getting shot----ANYBODY who doesn't obey the police----and, I don't think it's a cop-out to say people should obey the instructions of the police. Also, I think the cops WERE using common sense----otherwise, if they were trigger-happy, for instance, they would've shot him in the back as soon as he turned-around and walked away from them, withOUT having his hands, up (INITIALLY).



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21 Sep 2016, 5:53 pm

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^^ It's not murder if an officer tells you to "Halt!", and you don't; or, if an officer tells you "Hands up", and you don't put your hands up----which, from the video, Mr. Crutcher didn't do EITHER of those things, INITIALLY. They (the officers) DID let him walk all-the-way back to his truck, before they took action----when he got to his truck, and was looking like (from the angle of the camera) he was going to open the door, or reach-through the window, they FIRST tasered him. Also, from the angle of the camera, *I* thought he was gonna reach into his car!!

His family is having a fit, because after obtaining a still from the video, showing that the window was closed, they say it was ludicrous to think he could reach-through it----but, SO WHAT; the POINT, IMO, is that he REFUSED to obey instructions!!

Why is there this endless need to make excuses for people who don't show respect for authority? If a WHITE person did this, they would get shot, TOO----and, HAVE!!


So, he was executed for not obeying instructions?

Again, I don't believe he was executed----had they shot him in the back, as he walked-away, that would be different.

From what we know (so little), it doesn't seem right that they shot him, until he showed a CLEAR sign of aggression----him just looking-like he was reaching in his car for something wasn't a clear sign, IMO; if he had pulled-out a gun, then THAT would've, IMO, been a clear sign of aggression.



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21 Sep 2016, 5:56 pm

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beneficii wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
^^ It's not murder if an officer tells you to "Halt!", and you don't; or, if an officer tells you "Hands up", and you don't put your hands up----which, from the video, Mr. Crutcher didn't do EITHER of those things, INITIALLY. They (the officers) DID let him walk all-the-way back to his truck, before they took action----when he got to his truck, and was looking like (from the angle of the camera) he was going to open the door, or reach-through the window, they FIRST tasered him. Also, from the angle of the camera, *I* thought he was gonna reach into his car!!

His family is having a fit, because after obtaining a still from the video, showing that the window was closed, they say it was ludicrous to think he could reach-through it----but, SO WHAT; the POINT, IMO, is that he REFUSED to obey instructions!!

Why is there this endless need to make excuses for people who don't show respect for authority? If a WHITE person did this, they would get shot, TOO----and, HAVE!!

So, he was executed for not obeying instructions?

The [black] police chief said today that he had a gun.

So, looks like the suspect was high on PCP, had a gun, which explains the officer's radio calls of "he won't show his hands", and was not obeying instructions.

I didn't know they said the guy in TULSA had a gun----I had only heard the guy in CHARLOTTE had a gun.



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21 Sep 2016, 6:11 pm

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Like I said before, if one doesn't obey police, they risk getting shot----ANYBODY who doesn't obey the police----and, I don't think it's a cop-out to say people should obey the instructions of the police. Also, I think the cops WERE using common sense----otherwise, if they were trigger-happy, for instance, they would've shot him in the back as soon as he turned-around and walked away from them, withOUT having his hands, up (INITIALLY).


It's a sad day when the closing argument is "well, at least they didn't shoot him in the back."

Obviously one is supposed to obey the instructions of the police, but should the penalty for not doing so be death? There was no gun found at this scene (you are mixing this up with Charlotte; who could blame you, these shootings are so numerous,) only PCP.

NBC: Tulsa Cop Betty Shelby's Past Under Scrutiny After Terence Crutcher Shooting

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Shelby's attorney, Scott Wood, told NBC News on Tuesday that Crutcher failed to listen to her commands when police arrived and that he appeared to be under the influence of narcotics, possibly PCP. While Crutcher did have his hands up, he went to the side of his car — prompting Shelby to fire her gun and another officer to use his Taser simultaneously, Wood said.


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The video includes Shelby's husband, Dave Shelby, and an unidentified pilot telling each other that they believe the "black dude" in the scene was dangerous and "needed to be Tasered" for not following commands.


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Meanwhile on the campaign trail:

Chicago Tribune: Trump 'very troubled' by Tulsa police shooting; Clinton calls killings 'unbearable'

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Trump said 40-year-old Terence Crutcher, who was killed in Friday's Tulsa, Oklahoma, shooting, "looked like he did everything you're supposed to do. And he looked like a really good man."


Trump wrote:
"This young officer, I don't know what she was thinking. I don't know what she was thinking but I'm very, very troubled by that," Trump said, calling it a "terrible situation."


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Clinton notably made no direct mention of Trump in a speech in Orlando, Florida, focused on helping people with disabilities thrive in the U.S. economy. She pointed to the Oklahoma and North Carolina shootings at the start of her remarks, saying it added two more names "to a long list of African Americans killed by police officers. It's unbearable and it needs to become intolerable."


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21 Sep 2016, 6:53 pm

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LoveNotHate wrote:
beneficii wrote:
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^^ It's not murder if an officer tells you to "Halt!", and you don't; or, if an officer tells you "Hands up", and you don't put your hands up----which, from the video, Mr. Crutcher didn't do EITHER of those things, INITIALLY. They (the officers) DID let him walk all-the-way back to his truck, before they took action----when he got to his truck, and was looking like (from the angle of the camera) he was going to open the door, or reach-through the window, they FIRST tasered him. Also, from the angle of the camera, *I* thought he was gonna reach into his car!!

His family is having a fit, because after obtaining a still from the video, showing that the window was closed, they say it was ludicrous to think he could reach-through it----but, SO WHAT; the POINT, IMO, is that he REFUSED to obey instructions!!

Why is there this endless need to make excuses for people who don't show respect for authority? If a WHITE person did this, they would get shot, TOO----and, HAVE!!

So, he was executed for not obeying instructions?

The [black] police chief said today that he had a gun.

So, looks like the suspect was high on PCP, had a gun, which explains the officer's radio calls of "he won't show his hands", and was not obeying instructions.

I didn't know they said the guy in TULSA had a gun----I had only heard the guy in CHARLOTTE had a gun.

WOW, I didn't know these were different.

Ok, I'm dropping out of this discussion.



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21 Sep 2016, 8:16 pm

It seems more blacks get killed by police for not obeying orders than whites. That's what pisses people off.


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22 Sep 2016, 1:45 am

HAHAHAHAHAHA! You know you're on the losing side of an argument when even Donald Trump thinks you're "troubling". AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

What's troubling, to me, is the sheep that think it's okay to murder someone for "not listening." Oh, I didn't know the police were judge AND jury AND executioner, for a dude not reaching into his closed window.



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22 Sep 2016, 8:33 am

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There was no gun found at this scene (you are mixing this up with Charlotte; who could blame you, these shootings are so numerous,) only PCP.

I did not say, in ANY of my posts, that he had a gun.

Also, please do not ever, again, STATE what you don’t KNOW about what I am doing / saying----in the future, please ASK; in this case, something along the lines of "Is it possible you're mixing-up the incident in Tulsa, with the incident in Charlotte?". As you can see, in the posts I made AFTER this post to which you responded, you were WRONG in making that statement----had you ASKED, that wouldn't've happened.



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22 Sep 2016, 8:36 am

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It seems more blacks get killed by police for not obeying orders than whites. That's what pisses people off.

What if it's because more whites are more apt to follow the police's instructions.





Edit: Left-out a word.



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22 Sep 2016, 8:38 am

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... Also, please do not ever, again, STATE what you don’t KNOW about what I am doing / saying----in the future, please ASK; in this case, something along the lines of "Is it possible you're mixing-up the incident in Tulsa, with the incident in Charlotte?". ...

Oh calm down ... you know it was the Charlotte case where the deceased is said to have had a gun. Fine.



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22 Sep 2016, 8:46 am

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HAHAHAHAHAHA! You know you're on the losing side of an argument when even Donald Trump thinks you're "troubling". AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Trump knew he had to APPEAR to side with the victim, because he's losing the "minority vote", right now. Had it been 8 months ago (or, whenever)----back, when he was saying he could shoot somebody in the middle of Times Square, and he'd still be gaining in the polls (or, whatever it was, he said)----he would've said the same thing another person at the scene said: "He looks like a bad dude, too" (or, something like that).



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22 Sep 2016, 8:52 am

androbot01 wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
... Also, please do not ever, again, STATE what you don’t KNOW about what I am doing / saying----in the future, please ASK; in this case, something along the lines of "Is it possible you're mixing-up the incident in Tulsa, with the incident in Charlotte?". ...

Oh calm down ... you know it was the Charlotte case where the deceased is said to have had a gun. Fine.

Yes, I TOTALLY know "it was the Charlotte case where the deceased is said to have had a gun"----that's what I SAID, a few posts back, on this very thread:

http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=329366&p=7299570&sid=c5f347c538999e9031f61ee2988a15a3&sid=bfb0ea8242a1e6391c1b509e22859dca#p7299570



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22 Sep 2016, 9:43 am

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What's troubling, to me, is the sheep that think it's okay to murder someone for "not listening."

Mhm. All the time I hear stories where a deaf person, or someone with autism or another communication disorder, was tazed or shot for "not complying."