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11 Dec 2016, 5:26 pm

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With pretty much every paper and news outlet giving outrageously biased coverage. Completely ignoring Clinton's endless list of crimes with the attitude of something like 'ooh yeah some leaked emails or something', completely ignoring the content and instead spending most of the election focusing on something Trump said on a bus 11 years ago. Completely ignoring Clinton laughing about getting a child rapist's sentence reduced. With an impartial media Trump would have won in a landslide and Clinton would be rotting in prison with her husband.

You are trying to use distraction to avoid the topic. Clinton is done. Let her rest in peace.

Presumably the people working in the CIA are made up of members of both parties. I think they are a bunch of screw-ups (especially that Comey guy,) but they aren't plotting against Trump. It is much more plausible that it is Putin. I'm just waiting for someone on this side of the pond to die of mysterious causes.



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11 Dec 2016, 5:46 pm

If Trumpkins gets impeached and removed from office, it will leave Pence in charge.

Pence would have lite the ovens at Buchenwald and lite his cigarette from the burning corpses.

He is anti-abortion, anti-evolution, anti-climate change, anti-equal rights, anti-marriage equality...



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11 Dec 2016, 6:06 pm

Fascist dictators do seem to like bringing in their own loyalist teams of intelligence and police services and to disappear their predecessors along with anyone else who doesn't proclaim unquestioning loyalty to Friendly Uncle Dictator.


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11 Dec 2016, 6:17 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
With pretty much every paper and news outlet giving outrageously biased coverage. Completely ignoring Clinton's endless list of crimes with the attitude of something like 'ooh yeah some leaked emails or something', completely ignoring the content and instead spending most of the election focusing on something Trump said on a bus 11 years ago. Completely ignoring Clinton laughing about getting a child rapist's sentence reduced. With an impartial media Trump would have won in a landslide and Clinton would be rotting in prison with her husband.

You are trying to use distraction to avoid the topic. Clinton is done. Let her rest in peace.

Presumably the people working in the CIA are made up of members of both parties. I think they are a bunch of screw-ups (especially that Comey guy,) but they aren't plotting against Trump. It is much more plausible that it is Putin. I'm just waiting for someone on this side of the pond to die of mysterious causes.


No she's not done, there are still forces at work trying to get her in the White House. It's these forces that should let the election rest in peace.

They are made up of the same kind of corrupt people who control both parties. It isn't plausible at all that it's Putin if the hack ridden media are spewing it out. They cannot be taken seriously in the slightest.


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11 Dec 2016, 6:21 pm

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The transition team is refusing to accept the CIA findings. Why? Do they really hold the CIA in such contempt? Trump is showing his hand. I think he and Putin have a plan to take over the world.


:lol:

Putin has a plan for taking over the world,Trump is just a means to the end.


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11 Dec 2016, 6:28 pm

Mysterious deaths you say? That sort of think interests you now? Try Michael Hastings or Seth Rich.

This is an audacious challenge to the legitimacy of Trump's presidency, the Russians didn't make the Democrats attempt to rig the election nor were they in charge of Hillary's incompetent campaign. Whoever exposed emails did a public service, there is absolutely zero evidence that anybody can point to that actually suggests who did that and I dare somebody to show me such evidence if you believe it exists.

In the end it does not matter, the people that want war with Russia are the ones that are sick in the heads and need to be purged out of our government. Cold warriors need not apply to this administration, Russia likes Trump for the simple fact that he wants to normalize relations and to stop this stupid warmongering.



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11 Dec 2016, 6:36 pm

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Fascist dictators do seem to like bringing in their own loyalist teams of intelligence and police services and to disappear their predecessors along with anyone else who doesn't proclaim unquestioning loyalty to Friendly Uncle Dictator.


Exactly!

I wonder how long in Trump's presidency it will take for many of his supporters to realize this. Part of me thinks USA could never have a dictator, but the way Trump and his allies are.. I wouldn't put it past them. Especially since its very clear Putin is friends with Trump. So Putin can do what he wants, while Trump looks the other way. House+senate at least have some sense in them and will do the right thing if things get bad.

The same cycle has been happening over and over again with Trump-

1- Someone says something he doesn't like (it doesn't matter if true or not).

2- Trump whines on Twitter and in interviews then insults the person.

3- If original person is telling the truth, it doesn't mean anything to Trump because he can't accept he is ever wrong.

4- Trump will whine and namecall more until the newest story pops up.

5- repeat #1-4

This cycle should NOT be going on at all. Trump is a conman crook and bully that has no place in politics, period.


I think its clear Trump and his allies will try their best to silence anyone that disagree with them. Trump has whined non-stop about the media being so evil, unless they compliment him! Trump can't handle being wrong, he can't handle the truths at times either. He lost popular vote- so he whines and claims millions of illegal votes, yet he doesn't agree with a recount. He whines that Stein is just being crooked.

The fact that Clinton is used as an excuse STILL by many is a bit sad. If the evidence of Trump+Russia is true- will anyone admit wrong doing? I would guess probably not, the same old phrases will be used "it was rigged", "Democrats are sore losers", "But but Clinton did this and that, so it means Trump is better" and so on. :roll:



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11 Dec 2016, 6:42 pm

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In the end it does not matter, the people that want war with Russia are the ones that are sick in the heads and need to be purged out of our government. Cold warriors need not apply to this administration, Russia likes Trump for the simple fact that he wants to normalize relations and to stop this stupid warmongering.

You really think Putin is not warmongering? Ukraine might disagree.



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11 Dec 2016, 6:54 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
In the end it does not matter, the people that want war with Russia are the ones that are sick in the heads and need to be purged out of our government. Cold warriors need not apply to this administration, Russia likes Trump for the simple fact that he wants to normalize relations and to stop this stupid warmongering.

You really think Putin is not warmongering? Ukraine might disagree.


:roll: US/French/UK/EU backed neo-Nazis overthrew a democratically elected leader in Ukraine.


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11 Dec 2016, 6:55 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
The transition team is refusing to accept the CIA findings. Why? Do they really hold the CIA in such contempt? Trump is showing his hand. I think he and Putin have a plan to take over the world.


:lol:

Putin has a plan for taking over the world,Trump is just a means to the end.


:lmao:


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11 Dec 2016, 7:05 pm

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Trump has also said he’d consider lifting sanctions imposed over Putin’s policies in Ukraine. If he pushes ahead with rapprochement, though, he’ll face formidable resistance from the security and foreign policy apparatus in Washington, as well as senior members of his own party, according to Thomas Graham, a White House adviser on Russia under President George W. Bush.

Putin isn’t waiting for Trump’s Jan. 20 inauguration to press his advantage in Syria’s civil war, which has lasted almost six years, killed an estimated 300,000 people and displaced half the pre-war population of 22 million.


Toronto Star: Putin using Trump’s pivot on Syria to bolster Russia’s hand in Middle East Putin isn’t waiting for Trump’s Jan. 20 inauguration to press his advantage in Syria’s civil war.



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11 Dec 2016, 7:13 pm

A civil war started by the US/Israel/Saudi Arabia/Qatar.

Putin is destroying these Jihadi terrorist groups that we back and even tried to fight with in 2013. Tough s**t.


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12 Dec 2016, 2:45 am

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I think you are right. If he gets himself impeached which he is likely to do if he continues to mix business with politics then we will have President Pence, which is even worse.
This thing with the Russians is disturbing. The CIA has said that they affected the election. Trump's response is:

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Update: A statement from Trump's transition team, as expected, took a defiant tone about The Post's report: “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and 'Make America Great Again.'”


Washington Post: The CIA concluded that Russia worked to elect Trump. Republicans now face an impossible choice.

He doesn't believe the CIA. His own country's intelligence agency. Or he knows they are right.


Oh, he knows they're right. And when it's made public, he and the Republican party will lose all credibility. There might even be an impeachment at the end of the road.


In reality, he knows they are lying. There's not a shred of evidence. You think the CIA just missed all the influences on the election from Qatar and Saudi Arabia? And the influence of America in general by Israel? Maybe they just aren't looking hard enough? You know, unless they think there's still enough paranoia from the decades of propaganda during the Cold War period and they can just say "Russia did it" and there's no evidence required because we've all seen the endless Hollywood productions with the Russian as the bad evil guy ya know.


When did Qatar and Saudi Arabia release filched emails by and on Trump to scandal hungry US intelligence? There's a difference between possibly financing a favored candidate, and actually trying to sway public opinion with intelligence perhaps taken out of context, as Russia had done.


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12 Dec 2016, 7:56 am

Before January 20, 2017 is pretty much the deadline for hoping to somehow overturn the vote. Or maybe it's just an attempt at saving face and saying "we did the best we could to get Hillary into the White House post election". How bad is the DNC? So bad it lost to Donald Trump. Donald effing Trump for for godsakes. Their level of embarrassment and desperation is palpable.



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12 Dec 2016, 8:54 am

Frankly, no matter who won, tampering with the election results by the Russians (or even by the British) warrants a thorough investigation. Stuff like that just shouldn't be happening. This is really scary stuff, actually.

What would happen if somebody hacked into our nuclear-related stuff?



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12 Dec 2016, 9:04 am

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Before January 20, 2017 is pretty much the deadline for hoping to somehow overturn the vote. Or maybe it's just an attempt at saving face and saying "we did the best we could to get Hillary into the White House post election". How bad is the DNC? So bad it lost to Donald Trump. Donald effing Trump for for godsakes. Their level of embarrassment and desperation is palpable.


You are not getting it. Everyone knows Trump is going to be in office for the next four years (unless he screws it up.) That is not the issue.

The Russians have manipulated your country's election and all you can do is worry about the result being overturned. The issue is much bigger than that.