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20 Dec 2016, 4:20 pm

Jacoby wrote:
why are Pakistanis able to claim refugee status?


They can't, unless they are Afghans residing in Pakistan.



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20 Dec 2016, 6:32 pm

Jacoby wrote:
ISIS is claiming responsibility

a "Pakistani refugee' was who was behind the wheel

why are Pakistanis able to claim refugee status?


This is getting terrifying. Apparently the kid they detained isn't responsible. The actual polish truck driver's dead body was found in the truck cab and was killed with a gun by whoever drove the car into the market. I hope they find who's responsible soon.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/dec/20/berlin-christmas-market-attack-suspect-pakistan-live-coverage



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20 Dec 2016, 7:09 pm

ISIS claimed "credit" for this did. It was Muslim terrorism.

If some one claims a random act of terrorism is "Muslim Terrorism" he has a probability of 0.95 of being correct.


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20 Dec 2016, 9:41 pm

I'm guessing, but I can imagine right about now, people from the Berlin far right are spraying graffiti on mosques there.


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21 Dec 2016, 12:32 am

underwater wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Apparently The US president-elect, Donald Trump, said it was a terror attack and blamed “Islamist terrorists”.

A taste of his presidency to come in that he didn't bother to consult anyone or check any sources first before announcing "mussies did it"...


The thing is from my observation, he usually ends up being correct in theses kinds of situations. I think he's considerably more astute than some are willing to believe.

And you see, it does end up that he knows what he's talking about, but of course that's not good enough.

It's like pure scorn, cynicism and hatred with a complete lack of objectivity when it comes to leftists. Why would I want to join up with that?


Unless Trump has access to better intelligence than the German government, he probably didn't know, and it was only a guess. Whether it was a good guess or not is bedside the point. A president's job is to wait until he knows.


I would say a good president has a handle on things and is therefor able to make correct assessments. It's like the attitude is that the president has to be briefed in order figure anything out. I'd prefer someone who can figure things out on his own.

But it seems like a liberal can't allow themselves to believe that he has the ability to correctly figure things out. It seems in their minds it can only amount to a lucky guess and him shooting his mouth off. Again, pure prejudice and no objectivity. I was told that Eisenhower said, the middle of the road is all of the usable surface. The extremes, right and left, are in the gutters.



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21 Dec 2016, 12:42 am

EzraS wrote:
underwater wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Apparently The US president-elect, Donald Trump, said it was a terror attack and blamed “Islamist terrorists”.

A taste of his presidency to come in that he didn't bother to consult anyone or check any sources first before announcing "mussies did it"...


The thing is from my observation, he usually ends up being correct in theses kinds of situations. I think he's considerably more astute than some are willing to believe.

And you see, it does end up that he knows what he's talking about, but of course that's not good enough.

It's like pure scorn, cynicism and hatred with a complete lack of objectivity when it comes to leftists. Why would I want to join up with that?


Unless Trump has access to better intelligence than the German government, he probably didn't know, and it was only a guess. Whether it was a good guess or not is bedside the point. A president's job is to wait until he knows.


I would say a good president has a handle on things and is therefor able to make correct assessments. It's like the attitude is that the president has to be briefed in order figure anything out. I'd prefer someone who can figure things out on his own.


The president elect can't "figure it out on own" without being briefed through the grapevine about an event that happened on another continent under the jurisdiction of another government. He was probably just guessing that soon, though at this point now that time has passed he may have actually gotten information on the matter. Either his guess is right and people take that as indisputable proof that he's a genius or his guess is wrong and his supporters will forget about it anyways.

Back to the atrocity at hand instead of silly politics......



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21 Dec 2016, 12:56 am

Feyokien wrote:
EzraS wrote:
underwater wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Apparently The US president-elect, Donald Trump, said it was a terror attack and blamed “Islamist terrorists”.

A taste of his presidency to come in that he didn't bother to consult anyone or check any sources first before announcing "mussies did it"...


The thing is from my observation, he usually ends up being correct in theses kinds of situations. I think he's considerably more astute than some are willing to believe.

And you see, it does end up that he knows what he's talking about, but of course that's not good enough.

It's like pure scorn, cynicism and hatred with a complete lack of objectivity when it comes to leftists. Why would I want to join up with that?


Unless Trump has access to better intelligence than the German government, he probably didn't know, and it was only a guess. Whether it was a good guess or not is bedside the point. A president's job is to wait until he knows.


I would say a good president has a handle on things and is therefor able to make correct assessments. It's like the attitude is that the president has to be briefed in order figure anything out. I'd prefer someone who can figure things out on his own.


The president elect can't "figure it out on own" without being briefed through the grapevine about an event that happened on another continent under the jurisdiction of another government. He was probably just guessing that soon, though at this point now that time has passed he may have actually gotten information on the matter. Either his guess is right and people take that as indisputable proof that he's a genius or his guess is wrong and his supporters will forget about it anyways.

Back to the atrocity at hand instead of silly politics......


I get the impression he is on the grapevine. I've heard him talk about whats going on in the world during interviews and he seems to have a very good handle on things. He seems very astute. I don't believe that someone who displays that level of astuteness, just makes random harebrained guesses. Just because he didn't go through some observable formality, doesn't mean he isn't tapped in. It's like if he doesn't make a show of going through some process, he must just be sitting isolated in a corner mindlessly drooling while pulling random guesses out of his rectum. I sincerely believe that's what some people have limited themselves to in their own ability to assess.



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21 Dec 2016, 1:46 am

EzraS wrote:
I get the impression he is on the grapevine. I've heard him talk about whats going on in the world during interviews and he seems to have a very good handle on things. He seems very astute. I don't believe that someone who displays that level of astuteness, just makes random harebrained guesses. Just because he didn't go through some observable formality, doesn't mean he isn't tapped in. It's like if he doesn't make a show of going through some process, he must just be sitting isolated in a corner mindlessly drooling while pulling random guesses out of his rectum. I sincerely believe that's what some people have limited themselves to in their own ability to assess.


Agree to disagree. I doubt Germany would go out of their way to share this information early with him or anyone in America in general for that matter since the incident of America spying on Germany a few years back. Investigations also need to be kept tight. I also don't think he's dim witted. It's good PR for him no matter what if he's right or wrong.



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21 Dec 2016, 2:38 am

Feyokien wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I get the impression he is on the grapevine. I've heard him talk about whats going on in the world during interviews and he seems to have a very good handle on things. He seems very astute. I don't believe that someone who displays that level of astuteness, just makes random harebrained guesses. Just because he didn't go through some observable formality, doesn't mean he isn't tapped in. It's like if he doesn't make a show of going through some process, he must just be sitting isolated in a corner mindlessly drooling while pulling random guesses out of his rectum. I sincerely believe that's what some people have limited themselves to in their own ability to assess.


Agree to disagree. I doubt Germany would go out of their way to share this information early with him or anyone in America in general for that matter since the incident of America spying on Germany a few years back. Investigations also need to be kept tight. I also don't think he's dim witted. It's good PR for him no matter what if he's right or wrong.


You don't know who he talked to. You can assume he talked to no one and was completely uninformed. But I think that's highly unlikely. I do think a lot of it is a PR issue. I think the general public wants to feel like they're in on what's happening. Donald just doesn't operate according to the status quo. Which I've heard is one of the main reasons why he was elected.



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21 Dec 2016, 12:48 pm

CBC: Tunisian man sought in Berlin Christmas market truck attack

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21 Dec 2016, 1:09 pm

EzraS wrote:
You don't know who he talked to. You can assume he talked to no one and was completely uninformed. But I think that's highly unlikely. I do think a lot of it is a PR issue. I think the general public wants to feel like they're in on what's happening. Donald just doesn't operate according to the status quo. Which I've heard is one of the main reasons why he was elected.


What part of "Agree to disagree" do you not understand. You think he was informed. I don't think he was informed. Move on.



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21 Dec 2016, 4:34 pm

Those damm hindus.



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21 Dec 2016, 6:55 pm

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CBC: Tunisian man sought in Berlin Christmas market truck attack

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The individual is the main suspect who was being covertly monitored for months. The German authorities are being cautious by saying they only want to interview him (not that he's been identified as the terrorist)

My guess is he is implicated given he is on the run and that one of his false IDs was in the truck. His motive, however, is unclear (despite ISIL declaring they "inspired" the killer)since he was known to hold a grudge give his application for asylum in Germany was previously rejected.



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21 Dec 2016, 7:49 pm

Feyokien wrote:
EzraS wrote:
You don't know who he talked to. You can assume he talked to no one and was completely uninformed. But I think that's highly unlikely. I do think a lot of it is a PR issue. I think the general public wants to feel like they're in on what's happening. Donald just doesn't operate according to the status quo. Which I've heard is one of the main reasons why he was elected.


What part of "Agree to disagree" do you not understand. You think he was informed. I don't think he was informed. Move on.


You just wanted to get in the last word, since you added a paragraph after saying "agree to disagree". That's not how it works. You say agree to disagree and then you you stop talking about it right after that.



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22 Dec 2016, 2:43 pm

Looks like Łukasz Urban is a hero.

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22 Dec 2016, 4:11 pm

^ Urgh.


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