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07 Jan 2017, 12:22 am
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.
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07 Jan 2017, 3:50 am
07 Jan 2017, 4:09 am
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
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07 Jan 2017, 4:25 am
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
07 Jan 2017, 4:46 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
They're still blaming Bush eh? That often repeated healthcare quote sounds good, but the fact is the majority of the working class had their good healthcare plans taken away from them and had it replaced with something that's pure awful. Huge premiums and astronomically high deductibles. But hey, it allows preexisting conditions and is affordable via subsidy for those who's income is so low, they qualified for free healthcare before Obamacare anyways.
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07 Jan 2017, 4:55 am
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
They're still blaming Bush eh? That often repeated healthcare quote sounds good, but the fact is the majority of the working class had their good healthcare plans taken away from them and had it replaced with something that's pure awful. Huge premiums and astronomically high deductibles. But hey, it allows preexisting conditions and is affordable via subsidy for those who's income is so low, they qualified for free healthcare before Obamacare anyways.
Obamacare could have been tweaked here and there to work. Incidentally, what we today call Obamacare had started out as a Republican plan, thus all the problems with it.
07 Jan 2017, 5:16 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
They're still blaming Bush eh? That often repeated healthcare quote sounds good, but the fact is the majority of the working class had their good healthcare plans taken away from them and had it replaced with something that's pure awful. Huge premiums and astronomically high deductibles. But hey, it allows preexisting conditions and is affordable via subsidy for those who's income is so low, they qualified for free healthcare before Obamacare anyways.
Obamacare could have been tweaked here and there to work. Incidentally, what we today call Obamacare had started out as a Republican plan, thus all the problems with it.
Is the democratic stance one of total blame and zero accountability? Because it sure sounds that way. ACA started with Obama. It was a primary objective and pet project of his, based on his mother's hardships.
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07 Jan 2017, 5:26 am
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
They're still blaming Bush eh? That often repeated healthcare quote sounds good, but the fact is the majority of the working class had their good healthcare plans taken away from them and had it replaced with something that's pure awful. Huge premiums and astronomically high deductibles. But hey, it allows preexisting conditions and is affordable via subsidy for those who's income is so low, they qualified for free healthcare before Obamacare anyways.
Obamacare could have been tweaked here and there to work. Incidentally, what we today call Obamacare had started out as a Republican plan, thus all the problems with it.
Is the democratic stance one of total blame and zero accountability? Because it sure sounds that way. ACA started with Obama. It was a primary objective and pet project of his, based on his mother's hardships.
The ACA was originally devised by the Heritage Foundation, back when it was looking for a time like so called Hilarycare would be introduced during the Clinton years. Obama went with this flawed plan, instead of universal health care, because he naively hoped the congressional Republicans would jump aboard a plan that was originally theirs. He underestimated how much the Republicans would place making his administration fail over the good of the American people.
07 Jan 2017, 6:08 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
They're still blaming Bush eh? That often repeated healthcare quote sounds good, but the fact is the majority of the working class had their good healthcare plans taken away from them and had it replaced with something that's pure awful. Huge premiums and astronomically high deductibles. But hey, it allows preexisting conditions and is affordable via subsidy for those who's income is so low, they qualified for free healthcare before Obamacare anyways.
Obamacare could have been tweaked here and there to work. Incidentally, what we today call Obamacare had started out as a Republican plan, thus all the problems with it.
Is the democratic stance one of total blame and zero accountability? Because it sure sounds that way. ACA started with Obama. It was a primary objective and pet project of his, based on his mother's hardships.
The ACA was originally devised by the Heritage Foundation, back when it was looking for a time like so called Hilarycare would be introduced during the Clinton years. Obama went with this flawed plan, instead of universal health care, because he naively hoped the congressional Republicans would jump aboard a plan that was originally theirs. He underestimated how much the Republicans would place making his administration fail over the good of the American people.
Well I'll have to look into that more. But again it comes off as zero culpability on his part with 100% of the blame going to the Republicans as usual. Interesting how it's a Republican president who's going to make it actually affordable by lowering premiums and deductibles. Or so that's the plan.
But I'm still going to maintain for now, if it hadn't been for Obama, we wouldn't have the mess called Obamacare, no matter who drafted the prototype.
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