"A nuclear holocaust would be like no other."

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26 Feb 2017, 2:02 am

Well now we have more accurate nukes with lower yields because they are guaranteed to strike within feet in the double digits in most cases so there's that to be thankful for, I guess. Putin is well within his rights to expand his arsenal to combat this dodgy 'shield' that can be filled and interpreted two ways plonked across from his border, he's not the aggressor and is simply seeking to reinforce his adherence to mutually assured destruction yet we hear about 'russia building more nukes grr!' He even said openly it's the cheaper option and he needs to maintain the balance so he feels his country is secure. I don't interpret Trump as issuing a threat to Russia, the threat is already there in bold, neon blaring letters, america's arsenal, power projection and commitment to maintaining delivery systems for the doom devices spells out 'lose-lose but we're ready to play if you are'... I was much more concerned about Clinton's foreign policy tenure and ceaselessly antagonistic rhetoric toward Russia. Theresa May said not too long ago she wouldn't hesitate to obliterate a threat to the united kingdom, she is committed to defend the united kingdom, just as Trump was suggesting a nuclear holocaust would be horrific if he felt he had to use them to defend the united states.



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01 Mar 2017, 9:37 pm

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HARTFORD, Conn. — Congressmen from Connecticut are expressing concern over reports of a Russian intelligence-collection ship travelling near a U.S. naval submarine base.

U.S. Sens. Richard Blumenthal and Chris Murphy and U.S. Rep. Joe Courtney issued statements Wednesday condemning what they described as Russia’s increasing aggression.

A U.S. defence official said Tuesday the Russian ship has been operating in international waters off the U.S. East Coast. The official said it made a port call in Cuba previously and was monitored off Delaware’s coast. Courtney said the vessel was later spotted about 30 miles from the submarine base in Groton, Connecticut.

The U.S. Navy conducts similar intelligence-gathering operations against Russian military targets, such as its submarine bases, from international waters.


1. The ship in the photo actually isn't an "intelligence-gathering ship", but an Udaloy class destroyer. Wasn't there a photo of the actual ship that they could have placed above that unnecessarily sensationalist and scaremongering article?
2. ONE ship. Hardly an armada.
3. "Russia's increasing aggression". WHAT increasing aggression?! Do they mean the army manoeuvres they conducted within their own country in response to the N.A.T.O. deployment (including German panzers) just outside of Leningrad/St. Petersburg?
4. Operating in international waters. INTERNATIONAL waters. Anyone can go there, for any reason or none.
5. "The U.S. Navy conducts similar intelligence-gathering operations against Russian military targets, such as its submarine bases, from international waters."

This is fake news, propaganda, an attempt to - once again - paint Russians as devious devils. I'm truly sick of it. When will the MSM clean up its filthy act, and stop making up ridiculous nonsense like this?



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01 Mar 2017, 9:43 pm

feral botanist wrote:
After 9/11, even rational people became afraid and rallied around and supported an unqualified and unpopular president.


No, I wouldn't consider anyone who behaved this way to be "rational". Just the opposite, in fact. Rational people don't allow their emotions to control them, so becoming "afraid" would not be consistent.



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02 Mar 2017, 12:00 am

Lintar wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
After 9/11, even rational people became afraid and rallied around and supported an unqualified and unpopular president.


No, I wouldn't consider anyone who behaved this way to be "rational". Just the opposite, in fact. Rational people don't allow their emotions to control them, so becoming "afraid" would not be consistent.




Fair enough, people who are rational under normal condition, freaked the f@ck out after 9/11 and supported and unpopular and unqualified president.

The scary thing is, Bush seems strangely comforting compared to the orange p**** grabber in chief.



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03 Mar 2017, 11:15 am

androbot01 wrote:
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He is making a false threat so trump can seem strong and brave standing up to the Russians

It does not concern me in the least.

It's a brilliant plan, and could have worked if Trump had pulled off strong and brave. Instead he appeared panicked and flustered.


My thoughts exactly. There are moments where I do respect the man (now and then at least), but he just can't seem to channel the whole presidential & composed fearless leader vibe. I actually expected him to at least play the part because that's what he's done in the past when necessary for a deal.

I guess that's one thing I can say nice about him, he's just too darn honest sometimes. Who'd have thunk it?



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03 Mar 2017, 11:39 am

EzraS wrote:
Interesting conspiracy conflict between Putin being an aggressive blackmailing warlord against Trump to Putin being Trump's boyfriend who won the election for him because they're business partners in bed with each other. Although I'm sure someone can find a way to explain how it's both.


OR

How do we know that Putin isn't the jealous and insecure boyfriend type who is blackmailing Trump to keep in faithful? I mean come on, it's not like Trump doesn't like to get around, 3rd wife and all. Can't blame poor Putey for being a little insecure!

In any case, as long as Putin believes that the world is more stable/profitable with an only slightly inferior West, we should have nothing to really worry about. After-all, he still needs a long time to siphon enough wealth into Russia before it would even remotely make sense to just utterly destroy the wealthiest country. If there were some theoretical nuclear holocaust, and against all odds, Russia remained completely unscathed while America was obliterated (in a way that wouldn't eventually contaminate Russia), and assuming the rest of the world was willing to sit idly by, Russia would still be nearly broke.

There might be all this talk of us vs them, but even though that can still be dangerous, Russia still needs us as a sort of penny bank, so to speak.



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03 Mar 2017, 9:11 pm

androbot01 wrote:

Is he threatening Russia?


No.


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