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21 Feb 2017, 8:50 am

Globe & Mail: Fearing Trump, asylum seekers travel across U.S.-Canada border, regardless of risks Les Perreaux PLATTSBURGH, N.Y. — The Globe and Mail Published Monday, Feb. 20, 2017 5:29PM EST

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Migrants from Nigeria, Colombia, Yemen, Eritrea, Sudan, Syria and parts of Eastern Europe have made their way to Quebec in recent weeks. They use unofficial crossings because, under the Canada-U.S. Safe Third Country Agreement, migrants who have landed in either country are automatically turned away from seeking refuge in the other at official entry points. Once they set foot across the border at unauthorized crossings, they have the right to make a claim.

There’s no law to stop a person legally in the United States from leaving the country. On the Canadian side, it’s illegal to make an unauthorized entry but there is nothing Canadian police can do to stop a person from stepping over the boundary into arrest.

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21 Feb 2017, 8:53 am

It's probably (at least) almost as difficult to get permanent residence in Canada as it is to get it in the US.

I doubt it that Canadian authorities think the situation with Trump is dire enough for them to consider these people "asylum seekers." The situation just isn't as dire as it is in, say, Syria.

People who renounce American citizen because of Trump....just are not thinking properly, in my view.

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21 Feb 2017, 8:59 am

Government of Canada: Immigration and Citizenship

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21 Feb 2017, 9:03 am

I happen to like Canada.

In reality, though, unless I married somebody there, or had family there, it would be very difficult for me to get citizenship or permanent residence there. I don't have a "useful skill."

I actually looked into it. Not because of Trump.

If I got my Masters in something like social work---maybe.

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21 Feb 2017, 9:33 am

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We're not going to have a civil war.

If you're not at least slightly worried about a civil war or World War III in the next two/four years, then I honestly feel like you're not paying attention.

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21 Feb 2017, 9:49 am

I've been paying close attention. I wouldn't say that I'm "totally" not worried about the possibility of civil war or of World III. But I highly doubt either will occur.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be vigilant. We were LOTS closer to nuclear during the Cuban Missile Crisis than we are now. Right now, we have to be careful--but we're not in imminent danger of nuclear war, or of a civil war within the US.

Yes, you have Iran, etc. Yes, we have to be cautious and vigilant at the same time.

What I'm saying it's not in most people's interest in the US to have a civil war. We're not in the state that Syria was in just prior to their civil war. Or the Congo. Or Angola. We are still quite a viable nation, despite our political differences.

People protested the Vietnam War in the 1960s. Some of them were violent. Some of them advocated violent overthrow. We haven't even gotten to THAT point. Trump incites passions, like the Vietnam War incited passions. But most people just aren't that foolish.

What caused the Civil War from 1861-1865 was a series of unique circumstances. States seceding, an attack on Fort Sumter, etc.

Most people aren't these people on YouTube ranting away. Or those "anarchists" protesting and rioting. We had MUCH WORSE rioting in the 1960s.

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21 Feb 2017, 9:57 am

bamsaidthelady wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

We're not going to have a civil war.

If you're not at least slightly worried about a civil war or World War III in the next two/four years, then I honestly feel like you're not paying attention.

If that were true, then the United States would have had a civil war after the failed Business Coup of 1933 (a more likely scenario for that event). Americans are slow to anger, but we do have plenty of relatively brief "riots" (labor unions, racial and student protests among others like the Cuban Missile Crisis kraftiekortie described) not civil wars.

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21 Feb 2017, 7:54 pm

EzraS wrote:

diablo wrote:

Were these people Americans, or people that lived in America illegally and felt they'd be safe from deportation up there?

That's a good question.

diablo wrote:

I've heard Canada is pretty strict on immigration due to people taking advantage of their free healthcare.

And I think the United States should likewise be just as strict of people wanting to take advantage of the welfare system etc.

Edit: The article says they were 10 people from Turkey and Sudan, and they we're crossing over from New York State into Quebec.

I've also heard Australia is strict for similar reasons, but apparently they don't have as much of an immigration problem considering everything there is trying to kill and eat you.

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21 Feb 2017, 9:26 pm

diablo wrote:

EzraS wrote:

diablo wrote:

Were these people Americans, or people that lived in America illegally and felt they'd be safe from deportation up there?

That's a good question.

diablo wrote:

I've heard Canada is pretty strict on immigration due to people taking advantage of their free healthcare.

I've also heard Australia is strict for similar reasons, but apparently they don't have as much of an immigration problem considering everything there is trying to kill and eat you.

The critters here are not that bad when you live in the cities. If you are an illegal immigrant travelling on a rickety boat then the crocs and sharks are a problem if you fall overboard

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21 Feb 2017, 9:39 pm

bamsaidthelady wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

We're not going to have a civil war.

If you're not at least slightly worried about a civil war or World War III in the next two/four years, then I honestly feel like you're not paying attention.

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Civil strife in America....very possible (not inevitable). There could be "blood in streets'. But it would be a return to the 1960's, not a return to the EIGHTEEN Sixties when we had an actual military civil war.

World War Three IS something to worry about. We are definitely sliding back into a second Cold War. And need to watch our steps in dealing with resurgent Russia and emergent China. And regional general war in the middle east between the local heavy weights (Iran and Saudi Arabia) and their respective allies could break out- and could draw the outside global powers in.

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22 Feb 2017, 1:58 am

cyberdad wrote:

diablo wrote:

EzraS wrote:

diablo wrote:

Were these people Americans, or people that lived in America illegally and felt they'd be safe from deportation up there?

That's a good question.

diablo wrote:

I've heard Canada is pretty strict on immigration due to people taking advantage of their free healthcare.

I've also heard Australia is strict for similar reasons, but apparently they don't have as much of an immigration problem considering everything there is trying to kill and eat you.

The critters here are not that bad when you live in the cities. If you are an illegal immigrant travelling on a rickety boat then the crocs and sharks are a problem if you fall overboard

But what if an angry 'roo shows up at your front door?!

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22 Feb 2017, 5:53 am

diablo wrote:

But what if an angry 'roo shows up at your front door?!

Yeah I get them in our nearby park where I live. They are quite tame and frankly there are so many that even my daughter doesn't look twice when she sees them.

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24 Feb 2017, 10:25 am

I can't say anything about the US but people can say anything they want about Canada. "Canada is sooo weird because they spell color with a U and use the metric system, their money looks like the Monopoly money, and they're a bunch of commies with their free health care and it's cold and freezing ALL the time and BLA BLA BLA". :roll:

Someone on YouTube even said the other day that Canada is full of SJWs. I'm not even sure what a Social Justice Warrior is, but naturally it's bad.

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24 Feb 2017, 10:33 am

I worked with a Canadian.

He was so envious of me, that I didn't get socked with all those Canadian taxes.

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24 Feb 2017, 10:48 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

I worked with a Canadian.

He was so envious of me, that I didn't get socked with all those Canadian taxes.

Yeah much better to have a collapsing infrastructure and no health care.

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24 Feb 2017, 10:51 am

We have sucky health care.

Our infrastructure is really pretty good. With some faults----like everywhere has faults.

In some places, it suffers from lack of maintenance.

But to call it "collapsing" would be hyperbole.

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