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04 Mar 2017, 4:26 am

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Because an attack on someone because they have Asperger's could be any of us at any time.


Not if you are a smart Aspie and get a lawyer.


Not if you do not have the money for one. Even if you do have the resources to fight and win you will have a lot less resources both in money and time and possibly reputation when the process is over.


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04 Mar 2017, 4:35 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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Because an attack on someone because they have Asperger's could be any of us at any time.


Not if you are a smart Aspie and get a lawyer.


Not if you do not have the money for one. Even if you do have the resources to fight and win you will have a lot less resources both in money and time and possibly reputation when the process is over.
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04 Mar 2017, 6:59 pm

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I said it before, and I'll say it again: an attack on one autistic is an attack on all autistics.


No, this isn't how it works. An attack on one autistic is... just an attack on an autistic. It's like the quote, "If you've met one person with Asperger's Syndrome, you've just met one person with Asperger's Syndrome". You can't - and shouldn't - lump us all together. We are not all the same, and many of us don't like this "identity politics" nonsense.


Because an attack on someone because they have Asperger's could be any of us at any time.


When someone is attacked, either physically or abused verbally, there is almost always a clear reason (ex. the attacker may be under the influence of drugs that make him more violent, or he may be drunk, or he may have been swindled by the person in question). No one, to my knowledge anyway, has EVER said to one of his associates, "Hey, look over there - an Aspie. Let's have some fun, and beat him up". It just doesn't happen.



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04 Mar 2017, 7:00 pm

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All the more reason for us to stick together.


Stick together and do what? What do you have in mind?



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04 Mar 2017, 7:14 pm

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No one, to my knowledge anyway, has EVER said to one of his associates, "Hey, look over there - an Aspie. Let's have some fun, and beat him up". It just doesn't happen.

People who attack Aspies (either verbally or physcially) are probably not intelligent enough to know what an Apsie is...



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04 Mar 2017, 8:28 pm

Lintar wrote:
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I said it before, and I'll say it again: an attack on one autistic is an attack on all autistics.


No, this isn't how it works. An attack on one autistic is... just an attack on an autistic. It's like the quote, "If you've met one person with Asperger's Syndrome, you've just met one person with Asperger's Syndrome". You can't - and shouldn't - lump us all together. We are not all the same, and many of us don't like this "identity politics" nonsense.


Because an attack on someone because they have Asperger's could be any of us at any time.


When someone is attacked, either physically or abused verbally, there is almost always a clear reason (ex. the attacker may be under the influence of drugs that make him more violent, or he may be drunk, or he may have been swindled by the person in question). No one, to my knowledge anyway, has EVER said to one of his associates, "Hey, look over there - an Aspie. Let's have some fun, and beat him up". It just doesn't happen.


As I've been on the receiving end of bullying more than I would have liked, I can tell you that bullies pick out the kids who come across as weird or different, and that's the only reason bullies need.
And why are you so eager to take the side against Aspies?


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05 Mar 2017, 6:25 pm

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And why are you so eager to take the side against Aspies?


I'm not on anyone's "side", but I have seen quite a few unsubstantiated assertions made here since I decided to return to 'WrongPlanet' (after having stayed away from the joint for over a year).

Regarding bullying: It can happen to virtually anyone, for any reason, or even no reason. Bullies, being the insecure and psychotic individuals that they are, need someone they can feel superior to, and they don't really care if their target is on some kind of 'spectrum' or not. 'Aspies' are certainly not the only ones who ever get bullied, and to claim (or hint) that they are is just dishonest.



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05 Mar 2017, 8:52 pm

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And why are you so eager to take the side against Aspies?


I'm not on anyone's "side", but I have seen quite a few unsubstantiated assertions made here since I decided to return to 'WrongPlanet' (after having stayed away from the joint for over a year).

Regarding bullying: It can happen to virtually anyone, for any reason, or even no reason. Bullies, being the insecure and psychotic individuals that they are, need someone they can feel superior to, and they don't really care if their target is on some kind of 'spectrum' or not. 'Aspies' are certainly not the only ones who ever get bullied, and to claim (or hint) that they are is just dishonest.


No, Aspies are not the only ones who get bullied. But they are more likely to get bullied than anyone else, because bullies look for something in potential victims to hurt and denigrate, especially if that person stands alone for being "different."


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05 Mar 2017, 9:18 pm

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Seriously, Australia's politicians went into bed with Bush's war, and THAT costs BILLIONS upon BILLIONS.

Yes the "Anglosphere" alliance with Canada, Australia, UK and New Zealand


I believe all of those nations (certainly Canada and New Zealand) also have similar immigration laws.


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05 Mar 2017, 9:48 pm

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Dr Haque and her son Sakir, 14, have the option of remaining in Australia on temporary visas or leaving with Sumaya for Hungary, where the family are citizens and where her husband, also a doctor, still lives. The family are originally from Bangladesh.

Neither Dr Haque nor her children speak Hungarian.


Why didn't they stay in Hungary? Whilst there, why didn't they try to assimilate, or at least learn the language?

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Her family's application for permanent residency was rejected in 2013 after immigration health checks found Sumaya had a "moderate developmental delay" that would result in significant cost to Australian taxpayers, her mother Nasrin Haque said.


It may be unpleasant to acknowledge this particular fact, but yes, most who are "on the spectrum" in fact DO end up living on welfare. Sure, there are exceptions, people who rise above their handicap, but they are a minority.


Did you miss the part about the extended family living in Australia? Clearly you're just a heartless anti-immigration person.


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06 Mar 2017, 12:48 am

Adamantium wrote:
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Seriously, Australia's politicians went into bed with Bush's war, and THAT costs BILLIONS upon BILLIONS.

Yes the "Anglosphere" alliance with Canada, Australia, UK and New Zealand


I believe all of those nations (certainly Canada and New Zealand) also have similar immigration laws.


Yes we all share a secret "desire" to develop a time machine and return to the 1950s...



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06 Mar 2017, 8:12 pm

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Dr Haque and her son Sakir, 14, have the option of remaining in Australia on temporary visas or leaving with Sumaya for Hungary, where the family are citizens and where her husband, also a doctor, still lives. The family are originally from Bangladesh.

Neither Dr Haque nor her children speak Hungarian.


Why didn't they stay in Hungary? Whilst there, why didn't they try to assimilate, or at least learn the language?

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Her family's application for permanent residency was rejected in 2013 after immigration health checks found Sumaya had a "moderate developmental delay" that would result in significant cost to Australian taxpayers, her mother Nasrin Haque said.


It may be unpleasant to acknowledge this particular fact, but yes, most who are "on the spectrum" in fact DO end up living on welfare. Sure, there are exceptions, people who rise above their handicap, but they are a minority.


Did you miss the part about the extended family living in Australia? Clearly you're just a heartless anti-immigration person.


Did you miss the part where they mention that they were already citizens of Hungary? How far does an "extended family" go? What, exactly, does a term so imprecise really mean? Is it just the close relatives, like uncles and aunts and cousins? More distant relatives? What about the relatives of the relatives: will they also want to bring their families along? Will we allow the entire Indian subcontinent to migrate here?

I'm not heartless, but I am most certainly against unrestricted immigration and "multiculturalism". If you have a problem with that I really do not care. Call me "heartless" to your heart's content, it won't change the fact that multiculturalism has been an unmitigated disaster in almost every country in which this daft experiment has been tried.



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07 Mar 2017, 1:03 am

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Call me "heartless" to your heart's content, it won't change the fact that multiculturalism has been an unmitigated disaster in almost every country in which this daft experiment has been tried.

I'm not a fan of unmitigated entry into Australia but how on earth does multiculturalism actually negatively impact on you??

This is a false argument since our culture, holidays, TV/Radio and media is Anglo-dominated with little or no multiculturalism. Apart from a couple of eastern suburbs all I see everywhere is a sea of white faces. What exactly is this mysterious horror that is multiculturalism...? I'm intrigued?



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07 Mar 2017, 7:33 pm

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Call me "heartless" to your heart's content, it won't change the fact that multiculturalism has been an unmitigated disaster in almost every country in which this daft experiment has been tried.

I'm not a fan of unmitigated entry into Australia but how on earth does multiculturalism actually negatively impact on you??

This is a false argument since our culture, holidays, TV/Radio and media is Anglo-dominated with little or no multiculturalism. Apart from a couple of eastern suburbs all I see everywhere is a sea of white faces. What exactly is this mysterious horror that is multiculturalism...? I'm intrigued?


Yes, I should have been clearer about this. What I specifically had in mind when I wrote what I did above, was official government policy, within the country I live and others (especially within Europe) of actively promoting division, which they refer to as 'diversity'. Since 2009 I have lived in a part of the state that is relatively monocultural (Anglo-Saxon), but prior to this I lived in a suburb of a large city (Melbourne) that was rapidly becoming an Islamic slum (I don't want to name the suburb, except to say it was in the West). In the days just prior to our leaving the area, a gang had marked "their territory" by tossing a pair of shoes tied together over an electric powerline.

If you still bother to watch television, especially the ABC and SBS, you may notice how often stories pop up that push the agenda of 'diversity', and how wonderful it always is, which makes me wonder that if they are trying so damned hard to convince us of its benefits then there must be many people who openly reject it. Government policy used to be all about the integration of people coming into Australia, but since the late 1970's (the Fraser years) it's been about accepting all the weird cultural practices of people who, more often than not, can't even be bothered to learn English, never mind make an effort to build a new life in a new country. I don't want all of the problems that they escaped from to end up here.

I don't blame the people who migrate to another country because they can see that their chances of living a more secure and prosperous life are enhanced if they do so (that's only to be expected), but I most certainly do blame politicians (like that silly Angela Merkel) for actively encouraging and promoting an idea (multiculturalism) that is more of a social experiment than anything else, and which has, thus far, failed miserably in every country within which it has been attempted. You don't see the Japanese embracing such nonsense, because they are actually smart enough to know that in the long run it can only lead to catastrophe.



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07 Mar 2017, 8:30 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
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Ban-Dodger wrote:

Seriously, Australia's politicians went into bed with Bush's war, and THAT costs BILLIONS upon BILLIONS.

Yes the "Anglosphere" alliance with Canada, Australia, UK and New Zealand


I believe all of those nations (certainly Canada and New Zealand) also have similar immigration laws.


Yes we all share a secret "desire" to develop a time machine and return to the 1950s...


? Sorry. It probably seems obvious to you but I don't get what you are saying here at all.

Canada and New Zealand each have national health systems and argue something like, "let's not let in these defective people whose treatment will cost our system money." I'm not sure what that has to do with the 1950s. Really it seems more a holdover from the 1900-1930 eugenics period.

That sort of thinking was all the rage in the in the United States and contributed to the Immigration Acts that Jeff Sessions and his pal Steve Banon think are such great examples of wise policy.
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Without specific support from eugenicists, by 1917, Congress had expanded the legal definition of those "likely to become a public charge" to include: "all idiots, imbeciles, feebleminded persons, epileptics, insane persons…," "persons of constitutional psychopathic inferiority…, and" "mentally or physically defective..," Later involvement of eugenicists further broadened that definition by specifying the immigrant groups most likely to represent what Laughlin called the "socially inadequate."

In 1920, Laughlin appeared before the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Immigration and Naturalization. Using data for the U.S. Census Bureau and a survey of the number of foreign-born persons in jails, prisons and reformatories, he argued that the "American" gene pool was being polluted by a rising tide of intellectually and morally defective immigrants – primarily from eastern and southern Europe. Sympathetic to Laughlin's message, Committee Chairman Albert Johnson of Washington State appointed Laughlin as "expert eugenics agent.


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07 Mar 2017, 10:50 pm

Lintar wrote:
What I specifically had in mind when I wrote what I did above, was official government policy, within the country I live and others (especially within Europe) of actively promoting division, which they refer to as 'diversity'.

In Australia multiculturalism was originally coined by the Al Grassby to accommodate the newly arrived Lebanese and Vietnamese refugees. but it also included southern European migrants. If anything the Italians have had the biggest impact on our "Anglo" culture in terms of outdoor fine dining, urban coffee culture, soccer, formula one racing and fashion. I barely notice any impact from anyone else?

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Since 2009 I have lived in a part of the state that is relatively monocultural (Anglo-Saxon), but prior to this I lived in a suburb of a large city (Melbourne) that was rapidly becoming an Islamic slum (I don't want to name the suburb, except to say it was in the West). In the days just prior to our leaving the area, a gang had marked "their territory" by tossing a pair of shoes tied together over an electric powerline.

I'm not a big fan of ethnic ghettos as they are not healthy for the newcomers or the people living in the neighborhood. However it's a free country. People can live where they want. You have chosen to move so that is also your prerogative.

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If you still bother to watch television, especially the ABC and SBS, you may notice how often stories pop up that push the agenda of 'diversity', and how wonderful it always is, which makes me wonder that if they are trying so damned hard to convince us of its benefits then there must be many people who openly reject it.

Who exactly? Most Australians (95%) don't watch SBS and the ABC seems pretty monocultural. One thing I would like to see is a return to the 1970s where ABC reporters were required to have a British accent (like my own parents) as I find the Australian accent a little unrefined and hard on the ears

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Government policy used to be all about the integration of people coming into Australia, but since the late 1970's (the Fraser years) it's been about accepting all the weird cultural practices of people who, more often than not, can't even be bothered to learn English, never mind make an effort to build a new life in a new country. I don't want all of the problems that they escaped from to end up here.

I don't agree there's been any government impostion of any "weird" practices?? I think you have an overactive imagination. I do however wish English is mandatory for migration as currently my East Asian neighbors don't speak English and I find I can't ask them simple things like trim your overhanging trees or can you put out our bins because they (conveniently) feign ignorance.

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You don't see the Japanese embracing such nonsense, because they are actually smart enough to know that in the long run it can only lead to catastrophe.

Do you want Australia to be like Japan? I certainly don't!!