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07 Mar 2017, 9:41 am

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A distressed Earle informed her son he could be arrested, and he replied that he would rather kill himself than face jail.


Based on this, it's something a lot of people would come out with, and not necessarily mean it.

It also implies that he is guilty of what he is accused of; in which case he may have realized his own predatory nature and not been able to live with it.



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07 Mar 2017, 10:26 am

During slave raids, mothers in Africa would take their babies by the feet and smash their skulls against trees to keep them from being shipped away to die in a foreign land. It's another expression of maternal instinct, and it seems plausible that she spared her son a similar fate. I've met mothers, and it would take a lot to convince most of them to take such drastic action.

Society has to respond whenever someone kills someone else, and some jail time seems appropriate to me under the circumstances. She was not defending herself against an immediate threat, but the extenuating circumstances deserve consideration.

The death penalty exists so that people don't take it into their own hands. We probably can't get rid of it in societies where a majority of people consider killing other people a reasonable response to anything other than a direct threat.


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07 Mar 2017, 10:32 am

It's not 'suicide' if somebody else assists and administers it, that is murder. Killing her own son to avoid jail time is not compassion on the mothers part.



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07 Mar 2017, 10:44 am

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It's not 'suicide' if somebody else assists and administers it, that is murder. Killing her own son to avoid jail time is not compassion on the mothers part.

I don't think people on the spectrum do well in prison, and pedophiles certainly don't. I guess if you consider any life at all worth saving as an article of faith, then there's no arguing about it.


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07 Mar 2017, 11:07 am

androbot01 wrote:
smudge wrote:
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A distressed Earle informed her son he could be arrested, and he replied that he would rather kill himself than face jail.


Based on this, it's something a lot of people would come out with, and not necessarily mean it.

It also implies that he is guilty of what he is accused of; in which case he may have realized his own predatory nature and not been able to live with it.


Still taking people down rabbit holes I see :lol:



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07 Mar 2017, 11:13 am

As I see it, this situation really has nothing to do with Asperger's or pedophilia.

It has to to with a mentally ill person committing a murder suicide act.

The reasons a mentally ill person comes up with for doing something like this, are basically irrelevant as the person is insane. I think she should be put in a prison for the criminally insane for the rest of her life.



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07 Mar 2017, 11:15 am

All aboard the Snark Train. Destination: nowhere good.


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07 Mar 2017, 11:48 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
All aboard the Snark Train. Destination: nowhere good.


With you being the conductor of course.



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07 Mar 2017, 2:15 pm

I am betting the man only wanted to commit suicide because he was caught for his crime and pedophilia is very frowned upon and you do not want anyone know that about you behind bars but if you have been caught in it, they will know and it's hell behind bars.


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07 Mar 2017, 2:33 pm

androbot01 wrote:
smudge wrote:
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A distressed Earle informed her son he could be arrested, and he replied that he would rather kill himself than face jail.


Based on this, it's something a lot of people would come out with, and not necessarily mean it.

It also implies that he is guilty of what he is accused of; in which case he may have realized his own predatory nature and not been able to live with it.



Playing the devil's advocate, let's say he was innocent. Let's say he got caught up in child porn because he was a victim of a virus putting it on his computer and he didn't know about it or let's say he clicked a link and saw it and never went back but it stayed on his computer history. Then it was found o his PC when he took it in to get it fixed and the computer guy called the police. The man is arrested, he panics because he knows child porn is horrible and illegal and he knows what happens to child predators behind bars. He also doesn't want to be locked away and he is scared he will be found guilty so he has all this anxiety and decides to kill himself so he won't be found guilty and have live in hell. But that is the only way I can know how child porn can be an accident on someone's computer or unless someone in the house used it and went to those places but you need the dark web for that. I hear you can't find them on a regular web browser so I bet googling child porn will not give you anything but I wouldn't even try it still.

I am not going to say he was curious about it so he googles it and you also need the dark web to access tho sites so no way can that part be an accident. And if he saw child porn, he wouldn't have kept looking at it because he would be so disgusted and horrified and why anyone would want to look at exclusive pictures of naked kids in the first place and them doing things they shouldn't be doing is beyond me.


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07 Mar 2017, 7:48 pm

Jacoby wrote:
It's not 'suicide' if somebody else assists and administers it, that is murder. Killing her own son to avoid jail time is not compassion on the mothers part.


Exactly! If this mother had been truly compassionate, she would have done all she could to help her son overcome his addiction, not take the easy route (for her) by simply killing him, knowing that she wouldn't get much of a sentence in a country where the judges can be relied upon to pass sentences that are extremely lax and inappropriate for the crime committed. The fact that her son also had Asperger's Syndrome and looked at child pornography, meant that she could also count on the support of the "oh, that poor mother" brigade and the Derryn Hinch vigilantes.



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07 Mar 2017, 8:00 pm

I respect your position. I have friends who were stumped at the case I brought them of a woman who might suddenly have an irresistible compulsion to break glass and eat it. They maintained that the least restrictive environment for her was in her mother's home, although they had no real advice for her mom in that situation. There were no services, not really, in rural Texas. Ethically, ultimately, the mother in the OP was wrong.

Where we disagree is in taking extenuating circumstances into consideration. The justice system is deeply unfair. Look for the current administration to reverse the Prison Rape Elimination Act. Texas, AFAIK, is still suing to block it's implementation. There may be massive support for the daily raping of pedos here, but it is not officially part of the prison sentence. I maintain that it should not be, but I feel like a voice in the wilderness, trying to advocate for the rights of both victim and offender. Lots of people will just dehumanize one and ignore the other, and I haven't had much success in confronting them. Look at the total lack of response to my last post on the topic.


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08 Mar 2017, 7:32 am

Lintar wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
It's not 'suicide' if somebody else assists and administers it, that is murder. Killing her own son to avoid jail time is not compassion on the mothers part.


Exactly! If this mother had been truly compassionate, she would have done all she could to help her son overcome his addiction, not take the easy route (for her) by simply killing him, knowing that she wouldn't get much of a sentence in a country where the judges can be relied upon to pass sentences that are extremely lax and inappropriate for the crime committed. The fact that her son also had Asperger's Syndrome and looked at child pornography, meant that she could also count on the support of the "oh, that poor mother" brigade and the Derryn Hinch vigilantes.


She might not have been able to face the fact that her son would go through utter Hell in prison and would be scarred for life from it. Also she and her son might not have been able to take the threats from others. I'm not saying what she did was right though.


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