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10 Mar 2017, 5:37 pm

auntblabby wrote:
trumpcare cannot be an improvement for many reasons, chief among them is insufficient financial support for working class citizens who likely will not get enough of a tax write-off due to the fact that they don't pay enough in income taxes in the first places for that particular tax scheme to work for them. IOW they get basically nothing. middle class will get a bit more. the wealthy will make out like bandits like they always do.


I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude for now.

At this point, I really can't disagree with what you've presented in your post.



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10 Mar 2017, 5:45 pm

The media is infamous for leaving out information, so there is a chance that they made it seem worse than it actually is. At this point, we can only wait and see.


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10 Mar 2017, 5:46 pm

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10 Mar 2017, 6:30 pm

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Obamascare: 60% of online Obamacare defenders 'paid to post' hits on critics

A majority of online and social media defenders of Obamacare are professionals who are "paid to post," according to a digital expert.

"Sixty percent of all the posts were made from 100 profiles, posting between the hours of 9 and 5 Pacific Time," said Michael Brown. "They were paid to post."

His shocking analysis was revealed on this weekend's Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson, broadcast on Sinclair stations and streamed live Sunday at 9:30 a.m. Her upcoming show focuses on information wars and Brown was describing what happened when he had a problem with Obamacare and complained online.

Brown said that social media is used to manipulate opinion, proven in the last presidential election.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama ... 2615774?rp

about those paid shills now



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10 Mar 2017, 6:32 pm

PPACA still is more help to the working class than the GOP's false alternative. under their plan I get a big fat NOTHING.



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10 Mar 2017, 6:37 pm

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How big is you aunt's family?

If she works 40 hours a week, she would make $480 a week if she makes $12 an hour (which is slightly above minimum wage in Washington State).

That means she makes just below $25,000 a year. If she supports a family of 4 people, she is just above the Federal poverty level.

If she works 35 hours a week, she would be below the Federal poverty level for four people, but just above it for three people

She should be eligible for at least some programs which might cut into what she pays in Obamacare. She might be able to get a better insurance plan. The one she has now really sucks.


My aunt is a parent of one. That's it. Since her employer already provides the "affordable" healthcare I listed above, she does not qualify for a subsidy. $480 per week would be gross not net. The average rent for a small 1 bedroom apartment in Snohomish county (outside of the Seattle area where it's less expensive) is about $900 per month.

For 20 years all she needed to do was make a small copay for each doctor visit and her yearly deductible was $300 - that is until Obamacare took that away from her and her child. Her employer was forced to replace her actually affordable healthcare with very unaffordable Obamacare.

Anyone praising Obamacare, is not taking into consideration the millions of moderate income working class people like my aunt - because if they do, then they would have to admit how awful it is.



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10 Mar 2017, 6:49 pm

I agree. Obamacare REALLY sucks in this instance. Your aunt was given the shaft.

I knew you were referring to gross income.

$900 a month for a person making $25,000 a year is EXHORBITANT.



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10 Mar 2017, 6:53 pm

auntblabby wrote:
PPACA still is more help to the working class than the GOP's false alternative. under their plan I get a big fat NOTHING.


Alright, so my single parent aunt who's slightly above minimum wage, has to pay $290 per month with a $7,500 yearly deductible with limited coverage with Obamacare.

How much more will she have to pay per month with Trumpcare? How much more is her yearly deductible going to be?

I have given exact figures, so whoever responds to this should also give exact figures.

Exact figures please, not just some evasive political statement.



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10 Mar 2017, 6:53 pm

EzraS wrote:
Anyone praising Obamacare, is not taking into consideration the millions of moderate income working class people like my aunt - because if they do, then they would have to admit how awful it is.

Obamacare is flawed, no doubt. But so is Trumpcare. It goes in the wrong direction.

I'm Canadian and have had health care provided to me my entire life. I have had open-heart surgery and massive mental health issues and various other ailments of the chronically unhealthy. I don't think I would be alive today without the healthcare that I have received from my government.

I think that America should look to countries like Canada who successfully offer healthcare. I know the horror stores; I've lived them. Waiting forever to see a specialist, bad service. I get it. But some care is better than no care at all. Canada Health works on a triage system, so those in the most need go first. I've learned a lot of patience dealing with the system, but, like I said, I'm still alive.

Trumpcare will benefit the rich because the right believes the rich are deserving of better care. Heck, maybe they are. I'm not sure what determines value in these instances. But being that I am not deserving, I'll stick with Canada's triage system.



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10 Mar 2017, 6:59 pm

Your aunt's healthcare is GARBAGE.

Has she ever thought about trying to get a civil service position?



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10 Mar 2017, 6:59 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I agree. Obamacare REALLY sucks in this instance. Your aunt was given the shaft.

I knew you were referring to gross income.

$900 a month for a person making $25,000 a year is EXHORBITANT.


Every average worker was given the shaft.

Trump addressed this directly. That it was too expensive to be any good. That the only thing it covered was a catastrophic situation.

And his plan was to make it much more actually affordable for average working class people.

Now if Trumpcare is so much worse than Obamacare, I'd like someone to tell me in exact figures how much more she's going to have to pay per month and how much higher her deductible is going to be.

Anyone?.....



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10 Mar 2017, 7:01 pm

EzraS wrote:
Now if Trumpcare is so much worse than Obamacare, I'd like someone to tell me in exact figures how much more she's going to have to pay per month and how much higher her deductible is going to be.

Anyone?.....


I've calculated it. She'll have to pay $50/month with a $200 deductible. That's what my alternative fact processor says, anyway.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:02 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Your aunt's healthcare is GARBAGE.

Has she ever thought about trying to get a civil service position?


Every average working class person's healthcare is garbage.

Are they all supposed to become civil service workers to compensate for that?

Still waiting for someone to give me exact figures on how much more Trumpcare is going to cost people like her.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:04 pm

I feel we should dispense with ObamaCare, and with TrumpCare. And with all these attempts to find a compromise between totally private health care and national health insurance.

We should have a true, basic national insurance plan. I don't mean anything fancy. Just basic. And if you want more, you can buy it. Similar to Canada, somewhat.

And no....I ain't no Commie! I hate Communism at least as much as hate Fascism.

Your aunt had a pretty good plan before. Go back to plans like that.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:05 pm

As with ObamaCare, what TrumpCare will "cost" depends upon the individual. It's complicated.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:05 pm

androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Now if Trumpcare is so much worse than Obamacare, I'd like someone to tell me in exact figures how much more she's going to have to pay per month and how much higher her deductible is going to be.

Anyone?.....


I've calculated it. She'll have to pay $50/month with a $200 deductible. That's what my alternative fact processor says, anyway.


Okay so it's gone from $290 per month with a $7,500 deductible - to $50 per month with a $200 deductible.

That's absolutely fantastic! Exactly what Trump promised. I'm so happy for her :)


So what's the problem with that?



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