Kushner and Comey

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I can't be sure of anything where facts haven't been established. But I am skeptical of all the accusations, innuendo, conjecture, prognostication, hype and sensationalism that's been generated, when there simply doesn't seem to be a sound basis for it. There doesn't seem to be anything there of actual substance. If something of actual substance does actually ever occur, it will definitely grab my attention.

If there's nothing to the Trump/Russia story, why didn't Trump come clean in the first place that his people were secretly talking to Putin's agent? His denials, despite clear evidence that Kushner, Flynn, and others had had these meetings with the Russians suggests there's something there.

It looks like various people in the WH, maybe including DJT, got large loans or investment from members of the FSB or affiliated bsnks. The money trails have been documented, although not in a court of law. Proving official corruption just got a lot harder in the US, though. See the case of VA Gov. Robert McDonald. I hope the right won't tolerate that kind of immorality from their president.

And why won't Trump share his tax returns like every other president before? And why have so many of his people lied about dealing with the Russians (not just communications, but shady business deals with Russian oligarchs like Manafort has and has tried to conceal)?

If Trump and his cabal aren't guilty of anything, they sure seem to be doing everything they possibly can to act suspiciously and to look like they have something to hide. They are not in any way acting like people who have nothing to hide (by, you know, not hiding anything like tax returns and communications with Russians), and it's impossible not to be suspicious of that if you know anything about investigations and criminal behaviour.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it seems very odd to not even be able to admit that we might just possibly be looking at a duck like most Trump supporters seem unable to do. It just strikes me as psychologically motivated rather than motivated by logic and a desire to know the truth, the unquestioning support of Trump.

Tax returns show you nothing, all it would show is how much declared income and the deductions he made in any given year. They have already illegally leaked his tax returns from certain years and Trump's financial disclosure he filed at the beginning of the campaign is much more extensive, it's just a totally false narrative for stupid people to repeat. Seriously, where on a tax return might you find anything about Russia?

Most of these dealings with 'Russians' have been long documented, it's just the media rehashing things and lying or mischaracterizing themselves. Senators and elected officials come into contact with thousands of foreign dignitaries, that's part of the job. Russia is not ISIS or Al Qaeda(who Obama gave weapons too), it's not illegal to have contact with them. Period, end of story.

That's still just conjecture and accusation based on circumstance. It's something suggestive rather than anything of substance. Which has always been the pattern of this thing.

Round and round it goes like a dog chasing its tail.

To be clear, I'm not defending Trump. He can spend the rest of his life in a federal prison for all I care. I'm just pointing out the fact that there's nothing there for him to get convicted of or impeached over. Nothing. That's just reality.

Last edited by EzraS on 28 May 2017, 7:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

If... if... if...

Perhaps good if's. But they still don't amount to anything of substance.




It looks like... it seems like... it suggests that... if... if... if...

This thing is gotta run out of gas eventually.

Again, I wonder how you can know this; you better get in touch with the House and Senate and let them know.

'Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence' is the same defense these goons used to invade Iraq in search of WMDs.

Let them know what, the fact that nothing of substance has been presented so far? I'm sure they are fully aware of that.

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire, and Trump and company are going out of their way to deny there's any smoke. The investigation isn't done with yet, and incriminating evidence may still be found.

If there is smoke where there is fire then the Clintons and Obama belong in prison multiple times over.

Nobody disputes that the Clintons play fast with what's legal, though not to the extent as the right likes to believe. And what proof is there of corruption in the Obama White House? Just because he had overestimated the democratic Arab Spring revolts, and foolishly supplied people within their ranks who were fanatics with weapons, hardly means he belongs in prison.

Nobody denies that now about Clinton's?

Spying on millions of Americans including congress, SCOTUS, celebrities, etc. and using this information for their political ends is pretty criminal. Supplying ISIS and screwing up the whole Middle East(this is after he ran against Bush's foreign policy too) is just a bonus crime on top of everything he did domestically. Obama's ongoing sedition against the Trump administration is bordering on treason as said General Kelly because of this organized network of leakers.

The claim that Obama is somehow directing seditious action against Trump's administration is Trumpanzee fantasy, and National Enquirer headlines.
Funny, you guys on the right had no problem when Bush was spying on people, and certainly had no problem with attempts to thwart Obama's government at every turn.

In the meantime the Washington Post et al will keep shouting "fire fire!" as more and more people get tired of making rebuttals to virtually the same thing over and over and continue losing interest.

In the end if nothing comes out of all this, my guess is that it will be viewed as nothing more than a witch hunt against both Trump and Co and Russia. And therefore will probably end up generating support for them.