Trump Fails To Commit To Paris Climate Agreement

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02 Jun 2017, 12:11 am

It's a fake unenforceable deal that doesn't do anything, not a real agreement and can't just be ruled by decree from King Obama. If these 'Paris Accords' are so important then why isn't being legally ratified? Just a 'commitment' to do something by 2030-2100 I think is just silly.

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04 Jun 2017, 5:17 pm

Jacoby wrote:

This guy gets it, similar to my last post in the other thread. Besides we already paid $1 Billion to Paris Agreement Green Fund, all other nations combined paid $0.

Why should we pay $100 Billion more per year...

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04 Jun 2017, 11:12 pm

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The United States is supposed to do everything and simultaneously get blamed for everything. I think Europe has been overly dependant upon and manipulating the US far too long. People get upset over a President with a backbone telling the rest of the world the ride is over.

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04 Jun 2017, 11:21 pm

EzraS wrote:

I think Europe has been overly dependent upon and manipulating the US far too long.

And many of these problems don't even come from "Europe" as a whole, but rather from the EU bureaucrats in Brussels, desperate to hang on to institutional power.

Here's a brave teenager in Poland giving a speech to a student-run mock parliament -- Western Europe may be going down the drain, but a lot of Eastern Europe is still holding on:

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05 Jun 2017, 12:42 am

"The dictatorship of political correctness", indeed. I'm hoping my generation is better at rational thinking.

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06 Jun 2017, 9:34 pm

Jacoby wrote:

Even on most conservative estimates, America's adherence to the Paris Accord would have reduced global temperatures by 0.17C by 2050, any sought of measure would have helped

Trump pulling out of the accord (and getting rid of climate funding and supporting oil/coal industries) is like 10 people in a sinking life raft with a hole - where instead of patching up the hole - Trump is actually bucketing more water into the boat

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06 Jun 2017, 9:44 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW6F4os-KdU

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06 Jun 2017, 9:57 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Even on most conservative estimates, America's adherence to the Paris Accord would have reduced global temperatures by 0.17C by 2050, any sought of measure would have helped

That's enough to convince me spending another trillion dollars is a complete waste on our part...

cyberdad wrote:

Trump pulling out of the accord (and getting rid of climate funding and supporting oil/coal industries) is like 10 people in a sinking life raft with a hole - where instead of patching up the hole - Trump is actually bucketing more water into the boat

I don't think your metaphor accurately describes the situation. But better describes Obama pissing money away at Green Companies that ultimately went bankrupt.

36 Of Obama’s Taxpayer-Funded Green Energy Failures

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07 Jun 2017, 8:17 pm

:roll: Look at these damned idiots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiF8OL6YgO8

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07 Jun 2017, 11:14 pm

I'm sure one could just as easily find individuals who believe in climate change science who are basically clueless about it.

Skip to 1:07 for the street interviews on the second one. I came across these first. I'm sure I could find more dramatic examples if I spent a lot of time searching YouTube.

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08 Jun 2017, 1:55 am

SH90 wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Even on most conservative estimates, America's adherence to the Paris Accord would have reduced global temperatures by 0.17C by 2050, any sought of measure would have helped

That's enough to convince me spending another trillion dollars is a complete waste on our part...

I don't disagree that we in the west are forced to carry too much of the burden but industrialisation was our fault so something has to be done

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08 Jun 2017, 10:42 am

cyberdad wrote:

SH90 wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Even on most conservative estimates, America's adherence to the Paris Accord would have reduced global temperatures by 0.17C by 2050, any sought of measure would have helped

That's enough to convince me spending another trillion dollars is a complete waste on our part...

I don't disagree that we in the west are forced to carry too much of the burden but industrialisation was our fault so something has to be done

As someone who works both in aviation and marine industries, at the operation level for small-mid size businesses. I can tell you the government does something and doesn't allow us to just pollute. We have inspections and can be fined at insane prices, think Honda Accord for each minor offences... So, we don't simply do "nothing" as a country. Besides, many large companies and cities decided to follow the Paris Accords.

I also find it interesting you ignored the second part of my comment and even erased it.

SH90 wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

But this was an unenforceable agreement and I explained it better in the other thread...

SH90 wrote:

This is great for taxpayers and only bad for companies (and the individuals complaining) who was going to benefit from government contracts. Companies like GE, Telsa or profit from exchanging carbon credits on the stock market (Goldman Sachs)...

Besides, we never officially agreed to Paris Accord. Obama only decided we would, but never had the balls to bring the treaty to Congress to have it ratified and into law.

Obama agreed to follow the protocols, as if we had signed it.

Trump disagreed to follow the protocols, as we never signed it (basically leaving it up to the cities and corporations, if it makes sense).

In summary:

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10 Jun 2017, 6:28 pm

Ah, if not for a few chuckleheads in Florida, plus 5 on the Supreme Court

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtJQntAQlM

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