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29 May 2017, 1:35 pm

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I think it's disgusting the way certain media and people are tying to politically exploit this tragedy committed by a lone individual who is obviously nuts.

Well being a neo-nazi that does tie him to being a part of that movement...to ignore that part would be just as irresponsible as trying to politically exploit it. I imagine you are talking about right vs left type stuff, which I agree this is not fodder for the left and right to fire at each other with.

But really the neo nazi thing is not ok...that needs to be shut down, and even if he wasn't for sure a neo nazi I am sure they are cheering what he has done. It is not a legitimate political movement and it is time it stops being treated as one...and instead be treated as the terrorist organization it is.

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29 May 2017, 1:40 pm

I don't think the guy was exactly a deep thinker, he is likely some sort of psychopath given his long violent criminal history but if we're being truthful then this guy was clearly a Bernie supporter not a Trump one as he states many many times on social media.

Obviously the guy is a little confused.

If you actually read the link I provided it's pretty sad, this should of been seen a mile away. He was regularly making violent threats during the 2016 campaign, I guess so many people were doing that it must of been too hard to keep track. His 'support' of Trump amounted to him despising Clinton & believing that Trump would be the best candidate to bring about 'total anarchy or total nihilism' because he wanted to 'Bern it down'.

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29 May 2017, 2:00 pm

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Obviously the guy is a little confused.

If you actually read the link I provided it's pretty sad, this should of been seen a mile away. He was regularly making violent threats during the 2016 campaign, I guess so many people were doing that it must of been too hard to keep track. His 'support' of Trump amounted to him despising Clinton & believing that Trump would be the best candidate to bring about 'total anarchy or total nihilism' because he wanted to 'Bern it down'.

I just meant he's not a 'hardcore' Bernie supporter...not that he wasn't a bernie supporter. It seems like his support for Bernie is pretty misguided, like the reasons for his support of him don't even make sense. Bernie wasn't going to 'bern it down' and bring about anarchy.

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29 May 2017, 3:19 pm

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CC, have you ever made a comment calling for this sort of analysis of the actions of anyone non-white? I'd like to see a link.

I am on record here recently calling for criminal justice and social reform which acknowledges determinism. Take your ignorant assumptions about me on a search for evidence.

I don't remember if I've ever "called for this sort of analysis...", on HERE (this site)----but, I remember one of the ones that I HAVE fiercely defended, was Lee Boyd Malvo, but that was on another site (way before I was a member, here), and but I'm not looking for it, to post the link.

As for your second statement, in this quote: LOL You always take things, so personally----no matter who's saying, what----it cracks me up. Please point to where I said, on this thread, "J.R. Jones is always saying / doing..."----talk about assumptions.

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29 May 2017, 3:21 pm

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Have some sympathy for this violent racist? I hope she can get counseling, more than her attacker.

What if every time YOU did something to hurt an NT, somebody said they had more sympathy for the person you hurt? Now, grant it, no Aspie-driven thing we've done, is as bad as killing someone----but, IMO, the principle's the same. How many thousands and THOUSANDS of posts are on here, about people asking "Why don't / won't they even TRY to understand, us?", and they have gotten compassion / empathy, etc.----yet, we're not willing to extend that very same compassion, understanding, etc., to OTHERS? How is it we feel we even have the RIGHT to continue to ask for it, then?

I do tend to extend compassion and understanding to others, but brutally murdering two people and leaving others traumatized kind of puts a damper on compassion towards that individual. I am not going to say anyone with nazi sentiments or who gets sucked into extremist views deserves no compassion whatsoever....I think a lot of people like that are misguided and maybe could learn the error of their ways yet....but if they go on to actually kill people then that has to be punished.

I mean I had a period I was considering nazi philosophy...even considered running away from home to stay with any neo-nazi that might take me in(so glad I did not, scary part is I am sure there are plenty of people that would have been willing to 'take in' confused, runaway teenage girl whilst having alteriror motives)...so I get it that people can be disturbed, mentally ill, feel like an outcast and get sort of sucked in.

The neo nazis and other extremists like islamic extremists and even gangs also know this....they target vulnerable people to sucker them in, make them feel welcome....like if they join up they'll finally have a 'family'.

Okay, since this is the second time, now, that you have responded to a post of mine, on this thread, with saying that he should be punished, I guess I've got to respond..... I don't feel he SHOULDN'T be punished----that's part of why I said on my very first post on this thread: "NOT that that should be used as an EXCUSE for his behavior".

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29 May 2017, 3:22 pm

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Have some sympathy for this violent racist? I hope she can get counseling, more than her attacker.

The principle is not the same. Circumstance is everything. And the circumstance here is, two men were murdered, and one was brutally injured, because they had come to the aid of the two women assailed by this violent bigot.
And what evidence is there that he's an Aspie? I think there is little to none. He displays more of Antisocial Personality Disorder. And so what if he had been bullied at one time? So was I, but you don't see me terrorizing other people. And just how did these two Muslim women deserve to be surrogates for the rage he felt from being allegedly abused?
I'm sorry, but this man deserves zero sympathy after what he's done.

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29 May 2017, 3:32 pm

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Have some sympathy for this violent racist? I hope she can get counseling, more than her attacker.

And what evidence is there that he's an Aspie?

Please point to where, on this thread, that I said I thought he was an Aspie.

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29 May 2017, 3:36 pm

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The dimwit Nazi probably didn't know Bernie is Jewish. :lol:

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29 May 2017, 3:48 pm

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Stop using the word "you" in your replies if you don't mean it. How rude!

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29 May 2017, 3:58 pm

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Have some sympathy for this violent racist? I hope she can get counseling, more than her attacker.

And what evidence is there that he's an Aspie?

Please point to where, on this thread, that I said I thought he was an Aspie.

If you didn't, I apologize, but as you had used bullying for being an Aspie as an example, I thought it was inferred.

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29 May 2017, 4:13 pm

Bernie Sanders and Nazi echo similar messages.

Bernie is a Socialist.
Nazi are Socialist

Bernie's message , "Your problems are caused by others" (the billionaire/corporate class)
Nazi message, "Your problems are caused by others" (the jewish people)

So, it makes sense to me that he could , "feel the Bern".

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29 May 2017, 4:18 pm

Setting aside all socialists rejection of fascism, DJT is what is known as a reactionary socialist, and he says that all your problems are caused by brown people and the free press.

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29 May 2017, 4:24 pm

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The Nazis were not socialists, despite the word "socialism" in their party's name. They broke the unions and held down wages, and enriched the wealthy industrialists of Germany, who then collaborated with Hitler in his slave labor and war crimes. And lest it be forgotten, Hitler had eliminated Nazism's left wing in the Night of Long Knives.

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29 May 2017, 4:29 pm

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Sure, that's true of all socialists.

Their primary philosophy is to enrich themselves.

That's human nature.

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29 May 2017, 4:54 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

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Sure, that's true of all socialists.

Their primary philosophy is to enrich themselves.

That's human nature.

Then Hitler wouldn't be a real socialist, would he?
And seriously, that's true of all so called socialists? Like capitalism ever did anything for ordinary workers and minorities. Those at the bottom only get something out of capitalistic powers by grabbing them below the belt and twisting till said capitalistic powers loosen up on the purse strings, or provide better working conditions. That, or appealing to the government to enact left leaning policies that force capitalism to play fair and share in the wealth, and provide equal treatment.

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29 May 2017, 4:59 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

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Stop using the word "you" in your replies if you don't mean it. How rude!

Do you mean when I said: "What if every time YOU did something..."? I DID mean it, cuz I was talking to YOU / asking YOU, a question----and, if you want me to stop using it, in that sense, that's not gonna happen.

Also, I don't see what that has to do with "ignorant assumptions", because when one assumes, that usually means they haven't ASKED, and I WAS asking.....

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