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That IS the definition of asking Comey to stop the investigation.
The FBI said there was no wrongdoing on Flynn's part? That's news to me, considering how he and other of Trump's people are currently being investigated.

Washing Post: FBI-reviewed Flynn's calls with Russian ambassador, but found nothing illicit.

Also Trump was never under investigation and that was confirmed by your man, Comey.







You can also take his one on one memo transcripts for a grain of salt.

Funny thing about Flynn denying any contact with the Russians in the first place is more than a little suspicious, especially since he had met with a Russian spy recruiter.
Sure, there was no corroboration that any conversation went the way Comey said it did. But then, you have to consider the two men concerned here: Comey has a long career in law enforcement, in which he had earned a reputation for honesty and integrity. Trump, on the other hand, had defrauded throngs of people with his Trump University scam, had denied payment to his workers and contractors, had built a political career on the racist lie that President Obama was not a real American citizen, has refused to reveal his tax returns probably because he's a tax cheat, has gone back on promises about universal health care, etc, etc, etc.

The president can't obstruct justice for wielding his constitutional authority, if Trump really wanted to get rid of the Flynn investigation he could of just pardoned him as has been done by presidents in the past. The Director of the FBI serves at the discretion of the President and can be fired for any reason, it is not an independent branch of the government.

The FBI's issue with Flynn was about his cooperation with their investigation which is rather petty & vindictive rather than any evidence of illicit activity despite being illegally spied on and leaked to the press. Hoping for an outcome is not a direction or an order, it's not something that was followed thru with at all, and he concurred that he thought Flynn was a good guy. If Comey thought it was an order his reaction was to write down some memorized quotes that only he can corroborate for later usage, that does not sound like an order at all to me. Comey is a snake in the grass, I think he's proven that his firing was entirely warranted.

I'm sure Nixon would argue the same with firing Archibald Cox.

Either way, the FBI found no wrong doing. Flynn Resigned and is out the picture.




Wrong... He has long career as an attorney.


I will give you this. But the Clinton's have done worse.


I doubt he personally denied payments. As CEO or Board of Directors don't handle payments.





Some of his tax returns have been released, we know in 2005 he paid $38 million in Federal income tax. If I recall his latest one is under audit, but will be released when done. Audits at high income levels is standard, my parents been audited before... Better not see my tax returns, you would probably call me a cheat for takeing advantage of the tax code.


Hopefully we will see something by summer... "Affordable" Care Act is a disaster.

I found this interesting:



Since when did historical facts and constitutional law become hypotheticals?
Mr. Toobin just couldn't stand to have his bubble busted.

I was actually talking about Comey's career as FBI director. Besides, all FBI agents have to have law degrees.
Sure, Trump was convinced by his staff to concede Obama was born in America, but I hardly think it was a sincere move on his part. Plus, plenty of Trumpanzee cretins still believe his bullsh*t about Obama, which he had carried on for years.
The ACA was hardly a failure, as millions who had not had health insurance now could have medical care. Trump's plan will throw twenty four million Americans off of health coverage, while giving tax cuts to the wealthy who hardly need it.

Comey became director in 2013, I would hardly call that a long career. Within that short time, under the Obama administration alone. He has proven himself as dishonest and with little, to no integrity.


Wrong. In fact for some positions, don't require a degree at all.


Obama's own brother dislikes him and is a Trump supporter.





It also put millions out of health insurance (middle class, self-employed), who don't have the privilege of bankruptcy protection. While still putting the financial burden onto them, for something they can't afford them self... If they get sick, they loose everything... If a poor person gets sick, without health insurance and can't pay (they don't get turned away, they will receive treatment). They are judgment proof, can't garnish wages and they have the option for bankruptcy. Then the hospital writes it off on taxes, lowering or eliminating their tax liability.


Do you like job(s)? If so, better make sure the wealthy can afford to hire people... Besides, 45% of Americans pay no federal income tax (most of them get more back, then they put in).

The FBI has not cleared Flynn. They just found nothing criminal in the intercepted calls and probably won't charge him for lying to them. Also, there's already a thread about Comey's testimony in this section.

Re: Failed supply side economics, see Kansas.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Flynn was illegally spied on and did nothing wrong, he doesn't have anything to do with Russia and he was doing his job.

Apparently avoiding the 'duty to correct' means they can leak and create a false narrative then throw up their hands saying aw shucks and refuse when asked to merely state what is true. The idea that well maybe that won't always be true is an insane legal doctrine, that's the very definition of a witch hunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLUO2vTJ3Yw

Funny how you Trump guys were all for Comey when he was attacking Clinton.
You certainly need a law degree if you want to be Director of the FBI.
As Obama's half brother isn't even an American, I could care less.
Plenty of poor people have died without medical care, all because they were too poor to purchase insurance, or because they were denied it for pre-existing conditions, even with hospitals writing off treatment. And way too often, the poor have been stuck with crushing medical bills.
When have the rich ever reinvested those tax cuts? That money went to their savings, all the while they' had been cutting wages, hours, benefits, and even sending jobs overseas, all to make an extra buck at everyone else' expense. I might be more sympathetic to such tax cuts if strings were attacked to them, such as requiring them to reinvest said tax breaks back into their businesses, with demonstrable wage hikes, benefits, and hirings, otherwise they would be required to pay it back.

I am not a Trump guy, I didn't vote for him. Didn't vote for any candidate last term; in my opinion none was fit to run. BTW, I voted for Obama in 08 and regret it. But that's a different topic for another day, same for Clinton investigation. I never cared for Comey and didn't like him during that investigation.

I respect any standing president. If I disagree with something, I write my state representative and voice my concerns. But I make sure I have the facts, to avoid making a statement in conjecture... Way to many people get emotionally charged and become irrational.


You specifically said agents. But okay, it is traditional for FBI Directors to have a law degree.


That's kinda mean... My moms not American, I like her


The problem is and it's a big problem. The middle class can no longer afford health insurance. When insurance premiums is your second biggest expense, some have to forgo health insurance. When family premiums is equal to their mortgage payments and maximum out of pocket is equal to a new Honda Civic, it's no longer affordable. That's why many are self-insuring and medical tourism is on the rise. As the risk, is usually cheaper...

Yes, millions that didn't have health insurance now do. But now millions that had health insurance, don't. Since these people are so post to fund the majority of the system. Why should they pay a "penalty" so poor people can have something they can't afford them self? Most don't and enjoy a exemption... Hardship is the most common and easily proved, let the electric bill slip and get a shutoff notice (doesn't need to be shutoff, just need the letter).

Now that ACA is underfunded and is no longer profitable for providers. Lots of them pulled out, more set for next year in my state. The list is short for Florida, none offer PPO when I looked (I dislike HMO).


I agree, it's one of the positives and I hope it stays.


Poor people can't pay their bills anyways... It's not exactly crushing when their income is so low it can't be garnished. It get's thrown in the trash with the rest of the bills that gets put off. Over time it falls out of statue of limitations or they file bankruptcy.


"Rich" people don't stash money away in savings, they invest. It's how you make money... Savings should be for emergencies only.

** Rich is a subjective term. But most high income earners I know, own businesses and employ people.


Mostly economic downturn, it really sucked. But health insurance costs have dramatically increased for employers.


Thank unions for driving up the cost of labor... It's either be priced out of the market or stay competitive and profitable. As production workers are becoming more realistic on their value, jobs are starting to come back (it helps that cities give the companies tax breaks to open a factory)


Tax breaks are typically earned, because they met certain requirements.

Bill Maher is a riot, and very politically wise as well.

What I get from your posts is that you despise poor people for thinking they're getting a free ride, and that you're a plutophile. Such is hardly keeping with any notions of morality or right and wrong.
Sorry if I offended you needlessly about your mom.
My dad had been a union man, and because of that, my mom didn't have to work outside the home, and we had a comfortable middle class life style. What's possibly wrong with workers organizing in order to enjoy the fruits of capitalism that they have earned through their hard work?
I've heard other right wingers on WP say they didn't vote for Trump, but seem to go out of their way to defend him, too.
I'm not seeing the benefits of those tax cuts for the rich trickling down to the middle class or poor. I just see the rich getting richer at our expense.