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12 Jun 2017, 7:38 pm

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The US doesn't have the real Sharia issues like Europe does and hopefully we're not stupid enough to ever allow it to happen so I don't really see why 'banning' Sharia law is so controversial. These same people crying about this probably want to ban the 10 Commandments, prayer in school, and tax churches; I think a lot of people that pose as anti-religious are more simply anti-Christian moreso than anything else. The US constitution is the supreme law of the land, religious law has no place in this country.


Banning Sharia law in America amounts to banning cohabitation with swamp monsters. That is, there's no need to enforce such a law as that's never going to happen.


A really silly comparison, if only because (unlike swamp monsters) Sharia Law actually exists, and it does so in parts of the world where you would not expect it to, and in ways you wouldn't recognise. For example, did you know (and I was shocked to find this out myself) in some parts of England - ENGLAND! - there are what could be termed 'alcohol patrols' by young muslim men at night, who go out and harass ordinary, non-muslim people for not abiding by the teachings of Islam?

People need to wake the hell up, before it's too late.


It is an appropriate comparison, because like swamp monsters, Sharia law will never come to America.
If that is indeed happening in England, then they should complain to law enforcement.


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13 Jun 2017, 2:01 am

Lintar wrote:
For example, did you know (and I was shocked to find this out myself) in some parts of England - ENGLAND! - there are what could be termed 'alcohol patrols' by young muslim men at night, who go out and harass ordinary, non-muslim people for not abiding by the teachings of Islam?


In the example you provided the local constabulary (i.e. constable "plod") are supposed to police public drinking but hardly ever show up when fights break out or drunk individuals vandalise public property. The alcohol patrols are infact doing a public service protecting people in their neighborhoods from drunkards and filling in the gap where police are not available to prosecute the drinkers (it is against British law to down liquor in a public place)



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13 Jun 2017, 8:23 am

I really get the feeling some folks would like to bleeding-heart PC tolerance America into being the third world's doormat. That's okay walk all over us, because that's how marshmallow tolerant we are.



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13 Jun 2017, 10:04 am

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I really get the feeling some folks would like to bleeding-heart PC tolerance America into being the third world's doormat. That's okay walk all over us, because that's how marshmallow tolerant we are.

Intolerance is unity!


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13 Jun 2017, 10:07 am

Wikipedia wrote:
A group of vigilantes calling themselves "Muslim patrols" patrolled the streets in East London from 2013 to 2014. The individuals were young Sunni Muslim men, members of an organisation that called itself the "Shariah Project".[1] Early in 2013, videos of their activities, filmed by members of the patrol, were uploaded online:[2] these showed hooded members confronting passers-by and demanding that they behave in an Islamic way.[3] They targeted prostitutes, people drinking alcohol, couples who were holding hands, women whom they considered to be dressed immodestly, and harassed others whom they perceived as being gay.[4][5][6] Five men were arrested in January 2013 as part of an investigation into the gang.[7] In December 2013, three of them plead guilty to affray, and were subsequently given jail sentences.[8]

The Muslim East London Mosque community condemned the patrols as "utterly unacceptable" [9] In response to the 'Muslim Patrols', the far-right organisation Britain First has established 'Christian Patrols'.[10]


On the Christian Patrols,
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In 2016, after the group held "Christian patrols" in a primarily Muslim area of Luton, all major Christian denominations and organisations in the UK rejected Britain First and its ideology. The group was accused of "hi-jacking the name of Jesus Christ to justify hatred and spread fear".[68] That same year, a petition to the Home Office was launched urging a ban on the group.[69]


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13 Jun 2017, 10:47 am

There have been 'Sharia Patrols' here too

http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis- ... 419321224/

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A man trying to impose what he calls "the civil part of the sharia law" in the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood of Minneapolis has sparked anger among local residents and Muslim leaders.

Abdullah Rashid, 22, a Georgia native who moved to Cedar-Riverside last year, has been making the rounds in the Somali-dominated neighborhood, telling people not to drink, use drugs or interact with the opposite sex. If he sees Muslim women he believes are dressed inappropriately, he approaches them and suggests they should wear a jilbab, a long, flowing garment. And he says he's recruiting others to join the effort.



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13 Jun 2017, 11:03 am

Jacoby wrote:
There have been 'Sharia Patrols' here too

http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis- ... 419321224/

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A man trying to impose what he calls "the civil part of the sharia law" in the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood of Minneapolis has sparked anger among local residents and Muslim leaders.

Abdullah Rashid, 22, a Georgia native who moved to Cedar-Riverside last year, has been making the rounds in the Somali-dominated neighborhood, telling people not to drink, use drugs or interact with the opposite sex. If he sees Muslim women he believes are dressed inappropriately, he approaches them and suggests they should wear a jilbab, a long, flowing garment. And he says he's recruiting others to join the effort.

Your quote and comment leave out the main point of the article, that the Muslim community is organizing in opposition to this one person with mental health issues.
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But the Islamic Institute of Minnesota issued a statement Wednesday saying Rashid "does not in any way speak for the Islamic Institute of Minnesota or the Muslims in Minnesota."

"We consider this matter as a dangerous precedent and a threat in our country and our way of life," the statement said. "We ask our law enforcement agencies to consider this grave matter to protect Minnesotans."


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13 Jun 2017, 11:20 am

It's the first 2 paragraphs of the article and it does make mention of it. Where do you get one person from? Article says there's a group.

So we are in agreement now that enforcement of 'Sharia law' should be banned? I don't understand how that can be opposed.



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13 Jun 2017, 11:24 am

Article says Rashid claims there is a group. Big difference.


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13 Jun 2017, 1:00 pm

Jacoby wrote:
It's the first 2 paragraphs of the article and it does make mention of it. Where do you get one person from? Article says there's a group.

So we are in agreement now that enforcement of 'Sharia law' should be banned? I don't understand how that can be opposed.


Again, Sharia law will never be instituted in America; and certainly not by mentally ill individuals claiming to be part of a patrol. The whole point of this banning-Sharia-legislation is to demonize other Americans of the Islamic faith.


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13 Jun 2017, 1:36 pm

Lintar wrote:
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The US doesn't have the real Sharia issues like Europe does and hopefully we're not stupid enough to ever allow it to happen so I don't really see why 'banning' Sharia law is so controversial. These same people crying about this probably want to ban the 10 Commandments, prayer in school, and tax churches; I think a lot of people that pose as anti-religious are more simply anti-Christian moreso than anything else. The US constitution is the supreme law of the land, religious law has no place in this country.


Banning Sharia law in America amounts to banning cohabitation with swamp monsters. That is, there's no need to enforce such a law as that's never going to happen.


A really silly comparison, if only because (unlike swamp monsters) Sharia Law actually exists, and it does so in parts of the world where you would not expect it to, and in ways you wouldn't recognise. For example, did you know (and I was shocked to find this out myself) in some parts of England - ENGLAND! - there are what could be termed 'alcohol patrols' by young muslim men at night, who go out and harass ordinary, non-muslim people for not abiding by the teachings of Islam?

People need to wake the hell up, before it's too late.

One incident in England, as noted above, which consisted of millennial extremist Islamist youths macking for YouTube.

Also, a lone nut copycat in the US. Probably other lone nuts elsewhere, there being no shortage of them in general.


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13 Jun 2017, 1:38 pm

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Again, Sharia law will never be instituted in America; and certainly not by mentally ill individuals claiming to be part of a patrol. The whole point of this banning-Sharia-legislation is to demonize other Americans of the Islamic faith.

That's obvious to just about everyone, right?


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13 Jun 2017, 2:11 pm

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Again, Sharia law will never be instituted in America; and certainly not by mentally ill individuals claiming to be part of a patrol. The whole point of this banning-Sharia-legislation is to demonize other Americans of the Islamic faith.

That's obvious to just about everyone, right?


I should think so, though some seem to be implying that they just can't see the blatant bigotry. :roll:


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13 Jun 2017, 2:32 pm

I don't get it there isn't really anyone pushing for sharia law in this country...so seems a little bit over-kill to protest against it since its not really in danger of becoming enforced or upholded. There is currently much more push for legislation based on christian morals and biblical law...so I'd think it would make more sense to protest against christian law or religious law in general.


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13 Jun 2017, 2:37 pm

Lintar wrote:
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The US doesn't have the real Sharia issues like Europe does and hopefully we're not stupid enough to ever allow it to happen so I don't really see why 'banning' Sharia law is so controversial. These same people crying about this probably want to ban the 10 Commandments, prayer in school, and tax churches; I think a lot of people that pose as anti-religious are more simply anti-Christian moreso than anything else. The US constitution is the supreme law of the land, religious law has no place in this country.


Banning Sharia law in America amounts to banning cohabitation with swamp monsters. That is, there's no need to enforce such a law as that's never going to happen.


A really silly comparison, if only because (unlike swamp monsters) Sharia Law actually exists, and it does so in parts of the world where you would not expect it to, and in ways you wouldn't recognise. For example, did you know (and I was shocked to find this out myself) in some parts of England - ENGLAND! - there are what could be termed 'alcohol patrols' by young muslim men at night, who go out and harass ordinary, non-muslim people for not abiding by the teachings of Islam?

People need to wake the hell up, before it's too late.


Well then maybe the authorities of England should go arrest those thugs?...I doubt it is legal for them to do that, as in I doubt english law allows for people to legally go harassing individuals for not following teachings of said groups religion.


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13 Jun 2017, 2:46 pm

Jacoby wrote:
It's the first 2 paragraphs of the article and it does make mention of it. Where do you get one person from? Article says there's a group.

So we are in agreement now that enforcement of 'Sharia law' should be banned? I don't understand how that can be opposed.


Legally sharia law is not enforced, therefore its not being enforced to ban...people illegally trying to push beliefs on people isn't the same thing as having legally mandated religious law. Of course sharia law should not be allowed to be enforced...but in order to ban something I thought it already had to be in practice. Banning the non-lawful enforcment of it would be kind of redundant because enforcing religious beliefs on people who don't share those beliefs would be construed as harassment or even assault if they take it that far.


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