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26 Sep 2017, 3:29 pm

Aristophanes wrote:

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^^They're a private league, they're allowed to make and break their own rules.

Exactly. Let's say it's the Superbowl and one team is 5 points behind with seconds on the clock and they get a field goal, that team can be given 6 points for the field goal to win. NFL rules and regulations 11-1-2 (b) says that a field goal is worth three points, but they're a private league, they're allowed to break their own rules.

It's true, they could. They could flat out predetermine the winner of a contest if they wanted to. Probably not good for business (although WWF would disagree), but it's well within their rights to do what they want in their own private business.

Not good for business? Let's be honest it would bring down the league, destroy the whole thing, because when private organisations change their rules on a whim it eradicates all confidence. You were still right though...they *can* break their own rules.....

The comment was understatement.

Mine was taking the p***

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26 Sep 2017, 3:44 pm

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Mine was taking the p***

That's a great use for false analogies.

Good to have some indication when you intend to switch from debate to taking the p***, though, if you plan to use the technique in both cases.

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26 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm

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^^They're a private league, they're allowed to make and break their own rules. Also your last quote is a clothing rule, no where does it specify actions, merely apparel.

Except some of them having been wearing crap during pregames, a violation of the rules. The sponsors also have a don't be an a**hole clause. Not enforcing rules and policy is a slippery slope, what will be broken next?

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(c) Harmful Behavior. Either Party shall have the right to immediately terminate this Agreement in the event the other Party, in such Party’s reasonable discretion, engages in illegal, indecent, immoral, harmful or scandalous behavior or activities that may directly or indirectly damage such Party’s reputation or goodwill or violates any rules or regulations of Team or the National Football League or if this would otherwise violate League policy or directive.

The sponsors have been receiving several complaints and some even have petition against them. But hey, lets see how much lower the ratings will continue sliding. Fans are upset, people who don't even watch the s**t is upset. Fans are burning their memorabilia and publicly protesting the team.

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THE UNITED STATES FLAG CODE
Title 4, Chapter 1

§ 8(a)The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

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26 Sep 2017, 5:01 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

Chichikov wrote:

Mine was taking the p***

That's a great use for false analogies.

Good to have some indication when you intend to switch from debate to taking the p***, though, if you plan to use the technique in both cases.

These guys do it all the time when they don't want to address the content of a point or argument

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26 Sep 2017, 5:05 pm

@SH90: I hope you do realize the U.S. codes on national/patriotic ceremonies you keep posting are only legally binding to government institutions, not private ones. Also of note the U.S. codes are just that: a codification of known precedents, and are not the actual law itself.

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26 Sep 2017, 5:14 pm

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I thought Raptor said that?

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26 Sep 2017, 5:17 pm

Aristophanes wrote:

The flag code is in reference to the Steelers logo being upside down on the truck and the message he is trying to present, his team is in distress.

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26 Sep 2017, 5:23 pm

SH90 wrote:

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The flag code is in reference to the Steelers logo being upside down on the truck and the message he is trying to present, his team is in distress.

Yeah but your previous post used the same U.S. codes when you were talking about the NFL's rules, and I didn't catch it at the time, so I didn't bring it up when I noticed. Since you quoted them again, I thought that was the best place to point that out.

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26 Sep 2017, 6:00 pm

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The point is, it's a written code and expected conduct. Something the public expects and is a longstanding tradition. By refusing to not stand with our country, they damaged their respect with the public and undermined the integrity of both the team and NFL... There is a reason I didn't put it on top, and quoted the contract first.

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26 Sep 2017, 8:33 pm

Or, their actions reflect a growing consensus in this country that the era of oppressive policing and overimprisonment must end now.

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26 Sep 2017, 8:42 pm

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... and overimprisonment ...

And that affects the whole society.

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Social scientists now tell us that the incarceration rate is so high that the system is not making us any safer. In fact, it has created conditions that can foster anti-social behavior by damaging the economic prospects of prisoners’ families and harming the social fabric.

Dr. Steven Levitt, an economist at the University of Chicago and co-author of Freakonomics, was one of the most influential supporters of tough criminal-justice policies in the Nineties. In a 2012 New York Times interview, Dr. Levitt said, “We know that harsher punishments lead to less crime, but we also know that the millionth prisoner we lock up is a lot less dangerous to society than the first guy we lock up.” He added: “In the mid 1990s, I concluded that the social benefits approximately equaled the costs of incarceration. Today, my guess is that the costs outweigh the benefits at the margins. I think we should be shrinking the prison population by at least one-third.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422476/high-costs-over-incarceration-timothy-head-grover-norquist

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26 Sep 2017, 10:36 pm

You cannot force people to stand for the pledge of alligence or the national anthem, if they don't want people kneeling for the national anthem than they should get rid of the national anthem ceremony at football games in the first place.

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26 Sep 2017, 10:41 pm

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if they don't want people kneeling for the national anthem than they should get rid of the national anthem ceremony at football games in the first place.

"they" are the ones who will cry from the rooftops about protecting their freedoms like flying a confederate flag or using racist images for baseball teams. Strangely when its a freedom to allow a non-white sportsman to express themselves they "cry foul"

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26 Sep 2017, 10:42 pm

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Yeah that is the point of a protest, speaking out in spite of 'expected conduct' also no company has the right to tell you to stand for the national anthem, our soldiers have died just as much for the right to stand for it as they have for the right to sit during it.

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26 Sep 2017, 10:44 pm

cyberdad wrote:

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if they don't want people kneeling for the national anthem than they should get rid of the national anthem ceremony at football games in the first place.

No kidding, I like how people jumped up to defend those neo-nazis and white supremacists for their use of 'free speech' but these black football players should just 'shut the f*ck up and be grateful'. And greatful for what, I mean earth to america black people have nothing to be 'greatful' for we had them freaking enslaved and people want to b*tch about them being ungreatful.

ok to specify they have nothing to be greatful to white americans for....like the way its been framed, that they should be greatful to 'white america' for giving them the freedom to play football or whatever. Forgivness for what was done is one thing but suggesting they are being ungreatful for protesting discriminatory treatment is freaking ridiculous.

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26 Sep 2017, 11:46 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

If I am paying my employees to attend a event, while representing my company (with clients who are mostly military/police). I have every right to fire or punish them if their actions are harmful to the companies image. More so if those actions would anger my customer base if I did nothing... Besides, I have very strict contract and policy that I enforce.

The First Amendment, only prevents government restrictions on speech. Not restrictions imposed by private individuals or businesses.

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