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30 Nov 2017, 2:30 am

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Well, I personally wouldn't use the term cultural appropriation,

I was specifically referring to Gobineau and his nazi philosophical descendants, rather than the inhabitants of northern Europe themselves

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as those practitioners of northern paganism in fact were themselves the descendants of Indo-European migrants, albic/Bronze Age.

I think the advent of "sky gods" into northern Europe coincides with the introduction of agriculture. The pre-agricultural neolithic population of northern Europe worshipped nature, trees and an assortment of elves, pixies, fairies and trolls and other "magical beings". The Indo-Europeans introduced planting of crops in Scandanavia around 5000 years ago which now mean't people had to watch the sky/stars and seasons for when to plant seeds which mean't they were beholden to the gods of the sky (Odin the allfather).

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Hence the Germanic gods and the Hindu gods were originally one in the same, as were the gods of Greece, Rome, the Celts, and Slavs, and along with it, the swastika as a symbol of lightening. In fact, as the swastika can be found in Native American cultures, as well as in east Asia, it can be argued that it is a very old symbol predating the Indo-Europeans by a long time.

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Gobineau was of course full of sh*t. Rather than originating in the frigid European north, Germanic peoples are a product of a prehistoric melting pot consisting of Cromagnon descendants of mostly the I haplogroups, and the two different waves of Indo-European invaders, such as the Linear Pottery people or Battle Axe People who had come across the eastern European steppe (think modern day Slavs) of the R1A haplogroup, and the Unetice culture of central Europe that had come out of the Caspian and Black seas region originally, who were of haplogroup R1b (which also included the Celts, Greeks, and Latins). Even the haplogroup I descendants of Ice Age hunter/gatherers had apparently come out of Paleolithic North Africa, and had immigrated northward over a long period of centuries as the glaciers receded.

agreed again


Sorry, misunderstood what you meant about that jackhole, Gobineau. The actual Aryans, while Indo-Europeans, were specifically the Indo-Iranian invaders of Persia and India. It's doubtful that ancient Aryans ever stepped foot in Europe. The Yamana -Corded Ware -Linear Pottery people, and the Maykop-Unetice people, though Indo-Europeans, were not the same as the Aryans.


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30 Nov 2017, 6:34 am

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Sorry, misunderstood what you meant about that jackhole, Gobineau. The actual Aryans, while Indo-Europeans, were specifically the Indo-Iranian invaders of Persia and India. It's doubtful that ancient Aryans ever stepped foot in Europe. The Yamana -Corded Ware -Linear Pottery people, and the Maykop-Unetice people, though Indo-Europeans, were not the same as the Aryans.

Sanskrit is accepted as the root language and (yes) it's geographical origin is thought to be the homeland of the Indo-Iranian peoples. As these Sanskrit speakers expanded they came across people living in cities called the Elamites (the last vestige of the Sumerians who were wiped out by Ashurbanipal and his Assyrian hordes along the Tigris/Euphrates). As with Sumer the Elamites referred to their cities as "Ur'. For the semi-nomadic pastoral Sanskrit speakers these city dwellers seemed noble and sophisticated so they referred to these as Ur-yans or "dwellers of Urs". Interestingly a similar people living in the Anatolian peninsula were invaded by these stock of Sanskrit speakers were called Hur-rians (or Hurrians). As the Indo-Europeans adopted cities and agriculture they probably saw themselves as "ur-yans" and so adopted the term "Aryan" or literally in Sanskrit "noble ones"...lets not forget that raggedy illiterate nomads would hardly see themselves as noble until they adopted the superior culture. he exact anology could explain naked tribes in Europe that adopted Roman culture as more refined and cultured.



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30 Nov 2017, 1:59 pm

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Sorry, misunderstood what you meant about that jackhole, Gobineau. The actual Aryans, while Indo-Europeans, were specifically the Indo-Iranian invaders of Persia and India. It's doubtful that ancient Aryans ever stepped foot in Europe. The Yamana -Corded Ware -Linear Pottery people, and the Maykop-Unetice people, though Indo-Europeans, were not the same as the Aryans.

Sanskrit is accepted as the root language and (yes) it's geographical origin is thought to be the homeland of the Indo-Iranian peoples. As these Sanskrit speakers expanded they came across people living in cities called the Elamites (the last vestige of the Sumerians who were wiped out by Ashurbanipal and his Assyrian hordes along the Tigris/Euphrates). As with Sumer the Elamites referred to their cities as "Ur'. For the semi-nomadic pastoral Sanskrit speakers these city dwellers seemed noble and sophisticated so they referred to these as Ur-yans or "dwellers of Urs". Interestingly a similar people living in the Anatolian peninsula were invaded by these stock of Sanskrit speakers were called Hur-rians (or Hurrians). As the Indo-Europeans adopted cities and agriculture they probably saw themselves as "ur-yans" and so adopted the term "Aryan" or literally in Sanskrit "noble ones"...lets not forget that raggedy illiterate nomads would hardly see themselves as noble until they adopted the superior culture. he exact anology could explain naked tribes in Europe that adopted Roman culture as more refined and cultured.


I've read about the theory of Indo-European origins in Sumeria. Interestingly enough, the Maykop culture, which was the first known Indo-European culture, had appeared seemingly out of no where in the Black sea-Caspian sea region, which is not too far geographically from Sumeria.


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30 Nov 2017, 3:54 pm

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I've read about the theory of Indo-European origins in Sumeria. Interestingly enough, the Maykop culture, which was the first known Indo-European culture, had appeared seemingly out of no where in the Black sea-Caspian sea region, which is not too far geographically from Sumeria.


Yes the theme seems to be repeated throughout western history
If it's more palatable to equate proto-sanskrit with proto-Indo-European then between 2-3 millenia ago...
nomadic proto-Indo-European speakers came across "Ur" dwellers who spoke a common language
Indo-Iranian nomads invade Dravidians - take over city dwellers - Indian empires
Hittite nomads invade Hurrians - take over city dwellers - Hittites/Galatians became extinct Armenians and Kurds are leftover in the region
Greek nomads invade Minoans - take over city dwellers - become Greek empire
Iranian nomads invade Elamites - take over city dwellers become Persian empire
Italic nomads invade Etruscans - take over city dwellers and become Roman empire

Then in the last two millenia -
Slavic tribes adopt greek culture - Russian empire
Sythians/Alans adopt Persian culture - central asian empires although Sythians, Alans and old Tocharians are extinct
Celtic and German tribes invade/adopt Roman city culture - gives rise to Portuguese Spanish, French and Dutch and Austro-Hungarian empires
Vikings adopt Romanised christian city culture one group become Anglo-Saxon Britian
Bob's your uncle the British warrior empire is born!!

The warrior/military pedigree inherited from the nomads on the steppes certainly resonates with old Prince Phillip's hun pedigree



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30 Nov 2017, 11:17 pm

That's the reason that I don't like feminism. It's very anti disability.


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