Pet Python strangles owner
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Kraichgauer wrote:
THE SNAKE LOVED HIM?!?!?! Does the primitive brain of a snake have the capacity to feel such an emotion?
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As a future corn snake owner I would love her and take her out of her crate to handle her. I wouldn't put her around my neck though.
Every snake I have met has been an absolute joy to be around. I have met ball pythons who are sweethearts.
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xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
THE SNAKE LOVED HIM?!?!?! Does the primitive brain of a snake have the capacity to feel such an emotion?
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As a future corn snake owner I would love her and take her out of her crate to handle her. I wouldn't put her around my neck though.
Every snake I have met has been an absolute joy to be around. I have met ball pythons who are sweethearts.
I have one and she is sweet.So docile that my daughter and friend overcame their fear of snakes holding her.
They are easily found to adopt at reptile rescue centers.They get flooded with Igs and Ball pythons.People really should research a pet before bringing it home.I also have a rescue Tokay Gecko.The owners were afraid of her.They said "she makes this horrible noise then bites."Duh,that's what Tokays do.I can stroke mine but not handle her.That's pretty good for a Tokay,they are know to be cantankerous.I love it when she " barks",it's considered good luck.
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MariaTheFictionkin wrote:
There is a lot of missing information to this story. This guy could've had a stroke or a heart attack for all I care.
1.) "His parents heard a loud bang from upstairs when preparing dinner and went to check on their son as he had failed to come downstairs, the coroner was told. They attempted to perform CPR on him, after noticing Tiny was not in his pen, but Dan couldn’t be saved." No where does it state they actually saw the snake choking him. So, no one was actually there to witness the event.
2.) There is no mention of there being any indication like some sort of markings around the guy's neck. They are just going off from the fact that the snake wasn't in the pen.
3.) "The most likely scenario is that Tiny was engaged with Dan — I have no doubt about that." You cannot make an assumption like that without enough facts to prove that actually happened.
1.) "His parents heard a loud bang from upstairs when preparing dinner and went to check on their son as he had failed to come downstairs, the coroner was told. They attempted to perform CPR on him, after noticing Tiny was not in his pen, but Dan couldn’t be saved." No where does it state they actually saw the snake choking him. So, no one was actually there to witness the event.
2.) There is no mention of there being any indication like some sort of markings around the guy's neck. They are just going off from the fact that the snake wasn't in the pen.
3.) "The most likely scenario is that Tiny was engaged with Dan — I have no doubt about that." You cannot make an assumption like that without enough facts to prove that actually happened.
Great deductions. Looks like something I would write.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The idea of bonding with such creatures may seem creepy, or even impossible, yet some people insist that their reptiles know them and enjoy being with them. Can reptiles feel or portray emotions?
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
I recall a story about a guy who lived with a number of Monitor lizards (I know, spelling, wrong kind of monitor

I think Miss Lizzie is right. The guy probably had a heart attack, there are cases of loyal dogs eating their master when they fall dead and there is nobody to feed the pooches, so it's probably just animal instinct to survive
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cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The idea of bonding with such creatures may seem creepy, or even impossible, yet some people insist that their reptiles know them and enjoy being with them. Can reptiles feel or portray emotions?
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
I recall a story about a guy who lived with a number of Monitor lizards (I know, spelling, wrong kind of monitor

I think Miss Lizzie is right. The guy probably had a heart attack, there are cases of loyal dogs eating their master when they fall dead and there is nobody to feed the pooches, so it's probably just animal instinct to survive
Could very well be.
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cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The idea of bonding with such creatures may seem creepy, or even impossible, yet some people insist that their reptiles know them and enjoy being with them. Can reptiles feel or portray emotions?
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
I recall a story about a guy who lived with a number of Monitor lizards (I know, spelling, wrong kind of monitor

I think Miss Lizzie is right. The guy probably had a heart attack, there are cases of loyal dogs eating their master when they fall dead and there is nobody to feed the pooches, so it's probably just animal instinct to survive
How likely is it that a guy that young would get a heart attack? Not impossible. But unless he was doing coke, its not super likely.
And what does the dog analogy have to do with it?
The snake got out of its enclosure. But you all said that the snake wasn't on the guy, and didn't leave strangle marks. By the same token the snake wasn't found eating him, nor did the guy have chew marks on his body. And the guy and the family were all there to attend to the snake anyway. Those gross stories you hear about folks being found half eaten by their pet dog, or cat, are folks who died alone weeks before they were found in their apartments.
This guy, and his family, were all right there alive in the house to attend to the snake. And snakes are cold blooded and can go longer than a warm blooded mammalian pet like a dog, or a cat, before they get the urge to eat your carcass. Lol!
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The idea of bonding with such creatures may seem creepy, or even impossible, yet some people insist that their reptiles know them and enjoy being with them. Can reptiles feel or portray emotions?
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
I recall a story about a guy who lived with a number of Monitor lizards (I know, spelling, wrong kind of monitor

Nothing wrong with your spelling. The "monitor" in "monitor lizard" is the same darn word as the "monitor" in "TV monitor", or in "hall monitor" in school, or in "the Monitor and the Merrimac" (the two ironclad warships that famously fought each other in the U.S. Civil War).
naturalplastic wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The idea of bonding with such creatures may seem creepy, or even impossible, yet some people insist that their reptiles know them and enjoy being with them. Can reptiles feel or portray emotions?
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
I recall a story about a guy who lived with a number of Monitor lizards (I know, spelling, wrong kind of monitor

I think Miss Lizzie is right. The guy probably had a heart attack, there are cases of loyal dogs eating their master when they fall dead and there is nobody to feed the pooches, so it's probably just animal instinct to survive
How likely is it that a guy that young would get a heart attack? Not impossible. But unless he was doing coke, its not super likely.
And what does the dog analogy have to do with it?
The snake got out of its enclosure. But you all said that the snake wasn't on the guy, and didn't leave strangle marks. By the same token the snake wasn't found eating him, nor did the guy have chew marks on his body. And the guy and the family were all there to attend to the snake anyway. Those gross stories you hear about folks being found half eaten by their pet dog, or cat, are folks who died alone weeks before they were found in their apartments.
This guy, and his family, were all right there alive in the house to attend to the snake. And snakes are cold blooded and can go longer than a warm blooded mammalian pet like a dog, or a cat, before they get the urge to eat your carcass. Lol!
I was discussing the Monitors.It seems like the family would have heard the guy thrashing around.I think the family offed him and blamed the snake.They didn't have a butler.
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Misslizard wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The idea of bonding with such creatures may seem creepy, or even impossible, yet some people insist that their reptiles know them and enjoy being with them. Can reptiles feel or portray emotions?
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
I recall a story about a guy who lived with a number of Monitor lizards (I know, spelling, wrong kind of monitor

I think Miss Lizzie is right. The guy probably had a heart attack, there are cases of loyal dogs eating their master when they fall dead and there is nobody to feed the pooches, so it's probably just animal instinct to survive
How likely is it that a guy that young would get a heart attack? Not impossible. But unless he was doing coke, its not super likely.
And what does the dog analogy have to do with it?
The snake got out of its enclosure. But you all said that the snake wasn't on the guy, and didn't leave strangle marks. By the same token the snake wasn't found eating him, nor did the guy have chew marks on his body. And the guy and the family were all there to attend to the snake anyway. Those gross stories you hear about folks being found half eaten by their pet dog, or cat, are folks who died alone weeks before they were found in their apartments.
This guy, and his family, were all right there alive in the house to attend to the snake. And snakes are cold blooded and can go longer than a warm blooded mammalian pet like a dog, or a cat, before they get the urge to eat your carcass. Lol!
I was discussing the Monitors.It seems like the family would have heard the guy thrashing around.I think the family offed him and blamed the snake.They didn't have a butler.

Why didn't Agatha Christie think of a pet python as a plot device?
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naturalplastic wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The idea of bonding with such creatures may seem creepy, or even impossible, yet some people insist that their reptiles know them and enjoy being with them. Can reptiles feel or portray emotions?
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions
I recall a story about a guy who lived with a number of Monitor lizards (I know, spelling, wrong kind of monitor

Nothing wrong with your spelling. The "monitor" in "monitor lizard" is the same darn word as the "monitor" in "TV monitor", or in "hall monitor" in school, or in "the Monitor and the Merrimac" (the two ironclad warships that famously fought each other in the U.S. Civil War).
Okay, good to know!

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They stand up on their hind legs and look about for danger.Ive read the ancient Egyptians kept them on leashes to watch for crocs.
I think the mom wanted Tiny to herself,obviously a love triangle.Did the son have a life insurance policy?
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cyberdad wrote:
A friendly 2.5 m pet python named Tiny was playing with it's owner Dan Brandon of Church Crookham Fleet in Basingstoke UK before strangling him. The pet apparently became too overenthusiastic and strangled Mr Brandon who is now deceased.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... cd84c8bae7
Mr Brandon’s parents, brother and sister were in court, and Mrs Brandon told the coroner the snake loved her son, he never felt threatened by Tiny and was aware of how strong she was. Its the first case of a python killing a person in Britain
Mr Bradley’s mother still looks after the snakes and showed off a bite she has on her hands that another snake gave her ten days ago.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... cd84c8bae7
Mr Brandon’s parents, brother and sister were in court, and Mrs Brandon told the coroner the snake loved her son, he never felt threatened by Tiny and was aware of how strong she was. Its the first case of a python killing a person in Britain
Mr Bradley’s mother still looks after the snakes and showed off a bite she has on her hands that another snake gave her ten days ago.
I think people have to understand that love is an evolutionary strategy. I think it's most likely to be found in species that are social or in which the parents have some part in raising their young.
Snakes have no part in raising their young outside of protecting their eggs, and while some snake species are social or practice monogamy, I would be surprised if pythons had the same capacity to love their owners as say a dog, cat, horse, or bird might.