02 Feb 2018, 1:34 pm
02 Feb 2018, 1:39 pm
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Are you serious? The Soviets starved millions and millions of people to death, intentionally. Lenin and Trotsky liqudated people who weren't on there political spectrum. People were put in gulags.
So? This also happened in Tsarist Russia. Have you ever heard of Oprichnina? Under Ivan the Terrible, people were tortured to death in a dungeon which was made to resemble Hell.
Here's the difference between Soviet Russia and Tsarist Russia. In Tsarist Russia, the poor were serfs. In Soviet Russia, the poor were socialist workers. Being a socialist worker isn't a walk in the park, but it is certainly better than being a feudal serf.
It's easy to understand why the Russians sided with Lenin when you read about how they suffered under Tsar Nicolas. Tsar Nicolas was a racist piece of crap who tried to perpetuate the horrifying system of serfdom. The bastard got what he deserved.
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The population was brainwashed.
Every country engages in brainwashing.
In every country, the government says "Our country is the greatest! All those other countries are full of weirdos who don't act, dress, eat or speak in the right way!" The Soviet Union was not unique in this respect. All patriotism is delusional, virulent and cancerous.
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Putin's own parents nearly starved to death.
Yeah. That sucks. They should have actually starved to death.
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The Soviets would compete with the US as to who could do the worst thing pretty much. Putin is no angel but he is smart.
I agree that Putin is intelligent. This does not make him any less of a bastard.
The Soviets were even smarter though. They invented space travel.
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One good thing he did was save Syria. Not cause he cares about the people but because of geopolitics.
Exactly
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People need to stop blaming the immigrants for coming here and blame the government.
I agree. Western governments need to stop funding Middle Eastern dictators.
I don't think that allowing immigration is bad though.
Millions of people murdered and your answer is 'so? Past leaders did that too!"?
The Soviet Union was anti nationalist, hence absorbing other nations into a union. Most of their crimes were carried out on their own land.
Immigration benefits the rich and destroys the working class.
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02 Feb 2018, 5:49 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Are you serious? The Soviets starved millions and millions of people to death, intentionally. Lenin and Trotsky liqudated people who weren't on there political spectrum. People were put in gulags.
So? This also happened in Tsarist Russia. Have you ever heard of Oprichnina? Under Ivan the Terrible, people were tortured to death in a dungeon which was made to resemble Hell.
Here's the difference between Soviet Russia and Tsarist Russia. In Tsarist Russia, the poor were serfs. In Soviet Russia, the poor were socialist workers. Being a socialist worker isn't a walk in the park, but it is certainly better than being a feudal serf.
It's easy to understand why the Russians sided with Lenin when you read about how they suffered under Tsar Nicolas. Tsar Nicolas was a racist piece of crap who tried to perpetuate the horrifying system of serfdom. The bastard got what he deserved.
Quote:
The population was brainwashed.
Every country engages in brainwashing.
In every country, the government says "Our country is the greatest! All those other countries are full of weirdos who don't act, dress, eat or speak in the right way!" The Soviet Union was not unique in this respect. All patriotism is delusional, virulent and cancerous.
Quote:
Putin's own parents nearly starved to death.
Yeah. That sucks. They should have actually starved to death.
Quote:
The Soviets would compete with the US as to who could do the worst thing pretty much. Putin is no angel but he is smart.
I agree that Putin is intelligent. This does not make him any less of a bastard.
The Soviets were even smarter though. They invented space travel.
Quote:
One good thing he did was save Syria. Not cause he cares about the people but because of geopolitics.
Exactly
Quote:
People need to stop blaming the immigrants for coming here and blame the government.
I agree. Western governments need to stop funding Middle Eastern dictators.
I don't think that allowing immigration is bad though.
Millions of people murdered and your answer is 'so? Past leaders did that too!"?
The Soviet Union was anti nationalist, hence absorbing other nations into a union. Most of their crimes were carried out on their own land.
Immigration benefits the rich and destroys the working class.
Immigration is where my country came from.
As for your other post - are you certain about Trotsky?
03 Feb 2018, 11:28 am
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