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30 Jun 2018, 11:26 am

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it's just all about you, ain't it? :roll:

That's what "conservatism" is about. Looking out for #1.


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30 Jun 2018, 11:33 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it's just all about you, ain't it? :roll:

That's what "conservatism" is about. Looking out for #1.


How exactly can poor people help themselves by voting Republican?

Also, I don't think that you represent the entire conservative movement. Most conservatives seem to be devoted to God and/or patriotism, not just egoism.

Pure egoists are actually very rare.


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30 Jun 2018, 11:37 am

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$6,000 a year is great until you get cancer and realize that is your out of pocket cost for one Neulasta injection so you don't get neutropenia and die of an infection because the chemotherapy wiped out your immune system, and you need 4 to 16 Neulasta injections ($24,000 to $96,000).

1. The reason these prices are astronomical is because of government pouring vast money into them. It's the same dynamic as the student loan crisis.

2. I have private health insurance. My HSA (heath savings account) limits my total expense out-of-pocket to like $4,400.

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$4, 400 per year.

That's the nature of health insurance.


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30 Jun 2018, 11:39 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it's just all about you, ain't it? :roll:

That's what "conservatism" is about. Looking out for #1.


How exactly can poor people help themselves by voting Republican?

Also, I don't think that you represent the entire conservative movement. Most conservatives seem to be devoted to God and/or patriotism, not just egoism.

Pure egoists are actually very rare.

In this discussion, regarding budget cuts, and tax cuts, we're talking about "economic conservatives".


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30 Jun 2018, 12:01 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it's just all about you, ain't it? :roll:

That's what "conservatism" is about. Looking out for #1.


But no one will be there to look out for you if you get a serious illness or injury that exhausts your resources.

Other western countries don't have universal health care because it's citizens care about their countrymen any more than you do. They aren't any more loyal to their fellow countrymen or any more patriotic than you. They have universal health because THEY benefit from it.

But if you are fine with exhuasting all of your resources and STILl dying or having a loved one needlessly die due to lack of access to health care should something befall them, I guess that is your preference but why lose your life or the life of a loved one when it doesn't have to be that way?

When I look at the state of American health care and compare it to other western countries the U.S. starts to look pretty backwards. Have you ever watched videos of backwards people from 3rd world countries doing backwards things that results in the absolutely needless loss of life? Like why don't those people wait for the water to subside before trying to cross the flooded bridge when they can't swim? Why aren't they taught to swim in the first place? Why don't they invest in car seats for their babies when they have the money? Why don't they dig a latrine instead of defecating in a plastic bag and tossing it in the open sewer outide their home that their kids play in? Why not cover the open sewer? Why are they swimming next to raw sewage? Why get back in that truck hanging off the cliff when it's apparent it is going to fall? Food sanitation? That's how we look to other western countries when it comes to health care. Backwards and ignorant. I fully support Trump "Making America Great Again" but we will never be great without universal health care because what is so great about dying of something in the U.S. when you would not die from it in any other western country?



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30 Jun 2018, 12:18 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Chronos wrote:
$6,000 a year is great until you get cancer and realize that is your out of pocket cost for one Neulasta injection so you don't get neutropenia and die of an infection because the chemotherapy wiped out your immune system, and you need 4 to 16 Neulasta injections ($24,000 to $96,000).

1. The reason these prices are astronomical is because of government pouring vast money into them. It's the same dynamic as the student loan crisis.


I have other information but please explain your statement.

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2. I have private health insurance. My HSA (heath savings account) limits my total expense out-of-pocket to like $4,400.

EDIT:

$4, 400 per year.

That's the nature of health insurance.


My understanding is that HFAs are a tax shelter for funds to be used for qualified medical expenses.

But you can lose health insurance in a variety of ways that would shock you and a lot of the medications for serious illnesses are non formulary and don't come in a generic. You need specific prescription coverage to get them if that is even offered. A lot of people don't realize they don't actually have this kind of coverage because insurance companies often strike up contracts for tier 1 brand name drugs that give the illusion of brand name prescription coverage across tiers.



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30 Jun 2018, 12:30 pm

Chronos wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it's just all about you, ain't it? :roll:

That's what "conservatism" is about. Looking out for #1.


But no one will be there to look out for you if you get a serious illness or injury that exhausts your resources.

Other western countries don't have universal health care because it's citizens care about their countrymen any more than you do. They aren't any more loyal to their fellow countrymen or any more patriotic than you. They have universal health because THEY benefit from it.

But if you are fine with exhuasting all of your resources and STILl dying or having a loved one needlessly die due to lack of access to health care should something befall them, I guess that is your preference but why lose your life or the life of a loved one when it doesn't have to be that way?

Most Americans have employer provided health insurance.

If you don't have health insurance, then they're expected to get a job that provides you with it, or buy it yourself.

If you can't work, then you need to find state/federal programs for health care.

So, why feel sorry for anyone ?


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30 Jun 2018, 12:38 pm

Chronos wrote:
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$6,000 a year is great until you get cancer and realize that is your out of pocket cost for one Neulasta injection so you don't get neutropenia and die of an infection because the chemotherapy wiped out your immune system, and you need 4 to 16 Neulasta injections ($24,000 to $96,000).

1. The reason these prices are astronomical is because of government pouring vast money into them. It's the same dynamic as the student loan crisis.


I have other information but please explain your statement.

The government guarantees student loans, which removes the risk of default. So, it's risk free profit for the lender. This causes the lender to want to make as many loans as possible. So, now we have 1.5 trillion "student loan crisis", all because of the government.


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30 Jun 2018, 1:01 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Chronos wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it's just all about you, ain't it? :roll:

That's what "conservatism" is about. Looking out for #1.


But no one will be there to look out for you if you get a serious illness or injury that exhausts your resources.

Other western countries don't have universal health care because it's citizens care about their countrymen any more than you do. They aren't any more loyal to their fellow countrymen or any more patriotic than you. They have universal health because THEY benefit from it.

But if you are fine with exhuasting all of your resources and STILl dying or having a loved one needlessly die due to lack of access to health care should something befall them, I guess that is your preference but why lose your life or the life of a loved one when it doesn't have to be that way?

Most Americans have employer provided health insurance.

If you don't have health insurance, then they're expected to get a job that provides you with it, or buy it yourself.

If you can't work, then you need to find state/federal programs for health care.

So, why feel sorry for anyone ?


How is someone supposed to work when they are too ill to do so?

State/federal programs, yeah that's the idea. Government Universal health care. Medicare/Medicaid helps a lot of people but the GOP wants to cut funding so we are back to letting the sick and old die when they wouldn't in Canada or Australia, Japan, France, Austria, even India in some instances.



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30 Jun 2018, 1:02 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Chronos wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Chronos wrote:
$6,000 a year is great until you get cancer and realize that is your out of pocket cost for one Neulasta injection so you don't get neutropenia and die of an infection because the chemotherapy wiped out your immune system, and you need 4 to 16 Neulasta injections ($24,000 to $96,000).

1. The reason these prices are astronomical is because of government pouring vast money into them. It's the same dynamic as the student loan crisis.


I have other information but please explain your statement.

The government guarantees student loans, which removes the risk of default. So, it's risk free profit for the lender. This causes the lender to want to make as many loans as possible. So, now we have 1.5 trillion "student loan crisis", all because of the government.


How does this tie in to drugs though?



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30 Jun 2018, 1:06 pm

And the problem with employer based health insurance is sick people who take too much time off or become too much of a burden for the employer often lose their job and thus their income and health insurance. If the illness runs long enough the thin safety net runs out and the person can still end up dying on the streets of a treatable or curable condition when in any other western country they would have lived and rejoined the workforce as a productive member of society.



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30 Jun 2018, 1:28 pm

American Health Care, how we compare: Pay more, get less.

We can't be a great country when people refuse to acknowledge and fix what's not great about it, particularly when there are already off the shelf, turn key solutions that other countries have already developed and successfully implemented.



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30 Jun 2018, 3:01 pm

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I can go on. Let's talk about my grandmother.

She is 90. In her time, she was a good, upstanding, conservative conformist. She did exactly what society expected her to do. She married her high school sweetheart who got a good job and she became a dedicated home maker, wife, and mother to five children.

When she was pregnant with the 5th, her husband had an affair and left her for his pregnant mistress. He then died a year later.

My grandmother was entitled to his social security but that could not support five children so she had no choice at the time but to leave the children unsupervised and enter the work force. She worked three jobs at one point, quitting her evening job after being robbed at gun point. She eventually got a unionized government job when she was 40, remarried when she was 50 to a man who earned an average wage, and she continued to work until her husband had to retire and she could no longer do the 2 hour commute to work both ways. Her husband eventually died and she had to sell her mobile home and move closer to her kids, only three of which are alive. I consider her fortunate because even though she didn't have enough to retire to a nice community in Palm Springs, after all of her hard work, she qualified for a well kept, government subsidized apartment building for low income seniors and disabled individuals over 18.

The problem is, my grandmother has dementia and despite her three surviving children splitting their time caring for her, her needs are beginning to exceed their capacity to meet them. She will soon need to be in a nursing home with a memory care ward but her insurance does not cover this and these facilities out of pocket are $2000 to $4000 per month which no one has.

Her medicare does currently cover someone to come in once a week and bathe her and she will only let this lady do it and becomes combative if anyone else tries.

She is 90, in diapers, doesn't know where she is sometimes despite living in the same place for 20 years and the GOP is threatening to cut her medicare and wants her to go out and get a job when she needs end of life care? They are insane.


Oh, but a six thousand dollar a year tax cut (well, a temporary tax cut for almost everyone, save the rich) I'm sure will cover all that! :P :cry: :evil:


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30 Jun 2018, 3:11 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Chronos wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it's just all about you, ain't it? :roll:

That's what "conservatism" is about. Looking out for #1.


But no one will be there to look out for you if you get a serious illness or injury that exhausts your resources.

Other western countries don't have universal health care because it's citizens care about their countrymen any more than you do. They aren't any more loyal to their fellow countrymen or any more patriotic than you. They have universal health because THEY benefit from it.

But if you are fine with exhuasting all of your resources and STILl dying or having a loved one needlessly die due to lack of access to health care should something befall them, I guess that is your preference but why lose your life or the life of a loved one when it doesn't have to be that way?

Most Americans have employer provided health insurance.

If you don't have health insurance, then they're expected to get a job that provides you with it, or buy it yourself.

If you can't work, then you need to find state/federal programs for health care.

So, why feel sorry for anyone ?

At the risk of getting in trouble with the mods - - how is it possible for you to live without a heart, woman?!?!?!


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30 Jun 2018, 4:32 pm

Chronos wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Chronos wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it's just all about you, ain't it? :roll:

That's what "conservatism" is about. Looking out for #1.


But no one will be there to look out for you if you get a serious illness or injury that exhausts your resources.

Other western countries don't have universal health care because it's citizens care about their countrymen any more than you do. They aren't any more loyal to their fellow countrymen or any more patriotic than you. They have universal health because THEY benefit from it.

But if you are fine with exhuasting all of your resources and STILl dying or having a loved one needlessly die due to lack of access to health care should something befall them, I guess that is your preference but why lose your life or the life of a loved one when it doesn't have to be that way?

Most Americans have employer provided health insurance.

If you don't have health insurance, then they're expected to get a job that provides you with it, or buy it yourself.

If you can't work, then you need to find state/federal programs for health care.

So, why feel sorry for anyone ?


How is someone supposed to work when they are too ill to do so?

State/federal programs, yeah that's the idea. Government Universal health care. Medicare/Medicaid helps a lot of people but the GOP wants to cut funding so we are back to letting the sick and old die when they wouldn't in Canada or Australia, Japan, France, Austria, even India in some instances.

Indeed; it's a life or death situation for some.

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As for the doctor stuff, uh... it'll only get worse? For-profit healthcare is unsustainable. It's driving docs to early retirement, burning out their office staff AND there aren't enough docs coming into this hellscape to cover demand, thanks to the student loan crisis making the hellscape of bad medical policies even more hellish. The main thing you must do now is VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS IN EVERY ELECTION, and hope they keep the inevitable system crash from being *too* cataclysmic. We're screwed, but voting correctly now can mean the NEXT generation will never know the horror of dying from diabetes because your GoFundMe came up short one month, so you couldn't buy insulin. It is literal life or death at this point! For me, among many others. I *will* die if the republicans keep ramming through policy that punishes the sick! And, remember, we're *all* one bit of bad luck away from being cursed with a pre-existing condition. I'm not sick now because of a moral failing. I was a victim of malpractice!

Anyway, this really isn't a proper place for this stuff, but things got a little out of control above. I probably should've deleted the posts, but not having comments would also bum me out. Anyway, it's cruel to punish the sick and struggling for being bummers. They need care and help, darn it! (But, seriously, the comment section for comic strips is not to be confused with a therapist's office. You will not get useful help here!)

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30 Jun 2018, 6:19 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Chronos wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it's just all about you, ain't it? :roll:

That's what "conservatism" is about. Looking out for #1.


But no one will be there to look out for you if you get a serious illness or injury that exhausts your resources.

Other western countries don't have universal health care because it's citizens care about their countrymen any more than you do. They aren't any more loyal to their fellow countrymen or any more patriotic than you. They have universal health because THEY benefit from it.

But if you are fine with exhuasting all of your resources and STILl dying or having a loved one needlessly die due to lack of access to health care should something befall them, I guess that is your preference but why lose your life or the life of a loved one when it doesn't have to be that way?

Most Americans have employer provided health insurance.

If you don't have health insurance, then they're expected to get a job that provides you with it, or buy it yourself.

If you can't work, then you need to find state/federal programs for health care.

So, why feel sorry for anyone ?

At the risk of getting in trouble with the mods - - how is it possible for you to live without a heart, woman?!?!?!

It seems normal to me to expect people to "chip in" and "do their part" and "only ask for handouts if absolutely needed".

However, search google "autism cognitive empathy" and you see ASD women explain how it is a known ASD trait to have limited cognitive empathy (of putting yourself in another person's shoes). I do have "flat affect" all my life, and limited emotional response. However, I don't blame my perspectives on my ASD.

Dave Ramsey explains it from a political perspective that tax cuts = good, government cuts = good.


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