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Kraichgauer wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Trump cares more about Britons and our "democracy" far more than Theresa May.
Sadiq Khan is desperate to be a global figure. The Sadiq blimp raised more money and much faster without the media attention and run by ordinary people not millionaire politically connected "socialists".
Sadiq Khan is desperate to be a global figure. The Sadiq blimp raised more money and much faster without the media attention and run by ordinary people not millionaire politically connected "socialists".
Don't delude yourself. Trump has little respect for democracy, as he's been an admirer of strongmen around the globe.
Which strongmen? Trump respects the will of the people more than British Parliament does.
Which strongmen? Putin, Duerte (that little sh*t in the Philippines), Erdagon, even Kim in North Korea who he use to ridicule.
When my country had been founded, the men who led the way, who were among the most intelligent men of their day, understood that an absolute democracy could be as dangerous as an authoritarian government. Sometimes charlatans and demagogues can and have whipped up national resentment and bigotry to use democracy to achieve nefarious ends. Sometimes the majority can be wrong. That's why the founding fathers of America established a constitutional republic with checks and balances to keep government on the straight and narrow. It hasn't always worked like it was supposed to, but it mostly has, and has kept the United States a stable free government.
Really? Really?
You mean someone you hate got elected so along comes the virtue signalling about the founding fathers? They'd have been ok with the millions being poured into Obama's campaign by corrupt banks and such? How free!! ! Hillary cheating and stealing the primaries from Sanders. Freeeeee! Bill Clinton giving pardons to evil murdering gangsters on his last day in office. Free! George Bush cheating in Florida. Freeeee
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16 Jul 2018, 6:30 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Trump cares more about Britons and our "democracy" far more than Theresa May.
Sadiq Khan is desperate to be a global figure. The Sadiq blimp raised more money and much faster without the media attention and run by ordinary people not millionaire politically connected "socialists".
Sadiq Khan is desperate to be a global figure. The Sadiq blimp raised more money and much faster without the media attention and run by ordinary people not millionaire politically connected "socialists".
Don't delude yourself. Trump has little respect for democracy, as he's been an admirer of strongmen around the globe.
Which strongmen? Trump respects the will of the people more than British Parliament does.
Which strongmen? Putin, Duerte (that little sh*t in the Philippines), Erdagon, even Kim in North Korea who he use to ridicule.
When my country had been founded, the men who led the way, who were among the most intelligent men of their day, understood that an absolute democracy could be as dangerous as an authoritarian government. Sometimes charlatans and demagogues can and have whipped up national resentment and bigotry to use democracy to achieve nefarious ends. Sometimes the majority can be wrong. That's why the founding fathers of America established a constitutional republic with checks and balances to keep government on the straight and narrow. It hasn't always worked like it was supposed to, but it mostly has, and has kept the United States a stable free government.
Really? Really?
You mean someone you hate got elected so along comes the virtue signalling about the founding fathers? They'd have been ok with the millions being poured into Obama's campaign by corrupt banks and such? How free!! ! Hillary cheating and stealing the primaries from Sanders. Freeeeee! Bill Clinton giving pardons to evil murdering gangsters on his last day in office. Free! George Bush cheating in Florida. Freeeee
No, the founding fathers wouldn't have approved of a President beholden to ex KGB agents and mobsters turned Russian oligarchs for getting him elected, and now working on their behalf to bring down America. They would not have seen that as their vision of free government.
Freee!! !
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16 Jul 2018, 8:47 pm
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Just no evidence for that though. The founding fathers would have believed in innocent until proven guilty.
They also would have recognized a growing mountain of evidence, and the circumstances surrounding that evidence.
Even if there was evidence, Trump supporters and apologists would never believe it unless Trump comes forward and says it himself. Even then, many will bemoan the deep state got to Trump and forced him by his life to lie to the people. That may sound extreme, but Trumpsters have given me no reason not to believe that wouldn't be the case.
Unfortunately, you are probably correct.
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