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22 Oct 2018, 10:14 pm

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Likewise if the Republicans win, it will be blamed on Russian interference.


The difference is, there's actually a ton of evidence that Trump got help from Russia.


More like Hillary got sabotaged because they were afraid she would go ballistic and start a real war with them. And all they had to do was expose her corruption.


Half right. Putin sabotaged Clinton because as secretary of state, she had become his nemesis. It had become very personal between them.


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22 Oct 2018, 10:56 pm

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As I recall, Spanky threatened the same thing before the last presidential election (which he lost by 3 million votes, but was "elected" anyway).
One year on, Donald Trump is still an illegitimate president

As a republican not a democracy we don’t elect our president by popular vote as that would be unfair to the minority. and states. If we did only wear and east coast would matter and everyone in between would be subjects not citizens who are under the thumb of the coasts.


And yet do we want our collective fate decided by otherwise inconsequential, under populated states?


That makes them a minority. What happened to the importance of equality?


Not so much a minority as blacks or gays, but rather they don't represent vaster numbers of citizens as states on the coasts do. Plus coastal states are far more diverse and inclusive.


It's interesting though that you see them as inconsequential. I think if someone said that about other demographics you'd call it bigotry.



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22 Oct 2018, 10:57 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Likewise if the Republicans win, it will be blamed on Russian interference.


The difference is, there's actually a ton of evidence that Trump got help from Russia.


More like Hillary got sabotaged because they were afraid she would go ballistic and start a real war with them. And all they had to do was expose her corruption.


Half right. Putin sabotaged Clinton because as secretary of state, she had become his nemesis. It had become very personal between them.


Perhaps Vlad prevented WW3.



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22 Oct 2018, 11:29 pm

EzraS wrote:
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As I recall, Spanky threatened the same thing before the last presidential election (which he lost by 3 million votes, but was "elected" anyway).
One year on, Donald Trump is still an illegitimate president

As a republican not a democracy we don’t elect our president by popular vote as that would be unfair to the minority. and states. If we did only wear and east coast would matter and everyone in between would be subjects not citizens who are under the thumb of the coasts.


And yet do we want our collective fate decided by otherwise inconsequential, under populated states?


That makes them a minority. What happened to the importance of equality?


Not so much a minority as blacks or gays, but rather they don't represent vaster numbers of citizens as states on the coasts do. Plus coastal states are far more diverse and inclusive.


It's interesting though that you see them as inconsequential. I think if someone said that about other demographics you'd call it bigotry.


Seriously, I never said that states like Iowa or Indiana shouldn't vote or have say in who's our President. But to place that final decision in the hands of culturally insular populations hardly sounds like a smart move. If that makes me a bigot, then I'm a bigot.


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22 Oct 2018, 11:37 pm

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Perhaps Vlad prevented WW3.

Be very careful predicting "peace in our time"; remember what happened to Neville Chamberlain! If there's another global war in our lifetimes, it'll still get called WWIII, no matter how many postponements there are!


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22 Oct 2018, 11:52 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Likewise if the Republicans win, it will be blamed on Russian interference.


The difference is, there's actually a ton of evidence that Trump got help from Russia.


More like Hillary got sabotaged because they were afraid she would go ballistic and start a real war with them. And all they had to do was expose her corruption.


Half right. Putin sabotaged Clinton because as secretary of state, she had become his nemesis. It had become very personal between them.


Perhaps Vlad prevented WW3.


An autocrat like Putin is more likely to start a war.


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23 Oct 2018, 12:13 am

vlad the puttputt is playing the long game, The Dotard and his minions have not a clue.



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23 Oct 2018, 12:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
As I recall, Spanky threatened the same thing before the last presidential election (which he lost by 3 million votes, but was "elected" anyway).
One year on, Donald Trump is still an illegitimate president

As a republican not a democracy we don’t elect our president by popular vote as that would be unfair to the minority. and states. If we did only wear and east coast would matter and everyone in between would be subjects not citizens who are under the thumb of the coasts.


And yet do we want our collective fate decided by otherwise inconsequential, under populated states?


That makes them a minority. What happened to the importance of equality?


Not so much a minority as blacks or gays, but rather they don't represent vaster numbers of citizens as states on the coasts do. Plus coastal states are far more diverse and inclusive.


It's interesting though that you see them as inconsequential. I think if someone said that about other demographics you'd call it bigotry.


Seriously, I never said that states like Iowa or Indiana shouldn't vote or have say in who's our President. But to place that final decision in the hands of culturally insular populations hardly sounds like a smart move. If that makes me a bigot, then I'm a bigot.


What about the importance of the culturally insular population of Native Americans swinging the vote in Montana?



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23 Oct 2018, 12:35 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
As I recall, Spanky threatened the same thing before the last presidential election (which he lost by 3 million votes, but was "elected" anyway).
One year on, Donald Trump is still an illegitimate president

As a republican not a democracy we don’t elect our president by popular vote as that would be unfair to the minority. and states. If we did only wear and east coast would matter and everyone in between would be subjects not citizens who are under the thumb of the coasts.


And yet do we want our collective fate decided by otherwise inconsequential, under populated states?


That makes them a minority. What happened to the importance of equality?


Not so much a minority as blacks or gays, but rather they don't represent vaster numbers of citizens as states on the coasts do. Plus coastal states are far more diverse and inclusive.


It's interesting though that you see them as inconsequential. I think if someone said that about other demographics you'd call it bigotry.


Seriously, I never said that states like Iowa or Indiana shouldn't vote or have say in who's our President. But to place that final decision in the hands of culturally insular populations hardly sounds like a smart move. If that makes me a bigot, then I'm a bigot.


What about the importance of the culturally insular population of Native Americans swinging the vote in Montana?


Insular in this case implies ignorance and lack of curiosity of other places and cultures, particularly regarding race or sexuality. Besides, I was talking about choosing a President at a national level.


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23 Oct 2018, 1:31 am

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Insular in this case implies ignorance and lack of curiosity of other places and cultures, particularly regarding race or sexuality. Besides, I was talking about choosing a President at a national level.


Kinda sounds like stereotyping and marginalizing. Would the world would be better off without their kind?



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23 Oct 2018, 1:38 am

EzraS wrote:
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Insular in this case implies ignorance and lack of curiosity of other places and cultures, particularly regarding race or sexuality. Besides, I was talking about choosing a President at a national level.


Kinda sounds like stereotyping and marginalizing. Would the world would be much better off without their kind?


Of course not! And I never said they shouldn't have a voice in our country. They are Americans, after all. But just the same, a number of people from those states tend to have some pretty abhorrent opinion of racial, religious, and sexual minorities. That's not to say there aren't bad people on the coasts, either - because there are - but I will continue to fight them, too.


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23 Oct 2018, 2:30 am

I would be shocked if he does not claim the election was rigged if the Dems win. He is already laying the groundwork with the claim the chinese are hacking the election against him due to the trade war.

What I am surprised about is the failure of the progressives to say this is further proof of Trump’s racism. He is saying the investigation of meddling by white people is a hoax while the yellow people are actually hacking us.


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23 Oct 2018, 2:31 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
As I recall, Spanky threatened the same thing before the last presidential election (which he lost by 3 million votes, but was "elected" anyway).
One year on, Donald Trump is still an illegitimate president

As a republican not a democracy we don’t elect our president by popular vote as that would be unfair to the minority. and states. If we did only wear and east coast would matter and everyone in between would be subjects not citizens who are under the thumb of the coasts.


And yet do we want our collective fate decided by otherwise inconsequential, under populated states?

Yes as we are a republic. Unless you’ll let all those states leave the union? Why should have their fate decided by bunch of liberals on the coast? That’s why Northern California wants to get separate, and it’s why we rebooted against the British. Yet you think a bunch of people in California should decide what happens in Iowa with their say.
California, New York are not the United States they should never get to decide the president alone like you want. Want to change it tell people in those states to disperse across the nation rather then piling up in a few cities.



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23 Oct 2018, 2:34 am

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I would be shocked if he does not claim the election was rigged if the Dems win. He is already laying the groundwork with the claim the chinese are hacking the election because of the trade war.

What I am surprised about is the failure of the progressives to say this is further proof of Trump’s racism. He is saying the investigation of meddling by white people is a hoax while the yellow people are actually hacking us.

So what your saying is only Russia is able to hack us since you say they did but no way China who’s done Tons of cyber attacks on is and espionage could?

I beleive we’ll be at war with China in next 30 years. The preparing to attack us. They’ve been trying to steal our military tech and buy out power grids for long time.



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I would be shocked if he does not claim the election was rigged if the Dems win. He is already laying the groundwork with the claim the chinese are hacking the election because of the trade war.

What I am surprised about is the failure of the progressives to say this is further proof of Trump’s racism. He is saying the investigation of meddling by white people is a hoax while the yellow people are actually hacking us.

So what your saying is only Russia is able to hack us since you say they did but no way China who’s done Tons of cyber attacks on is and espionage could?

I beleive we’ll be at war with China in next 30 years. The preparing to attack us. They’ve been trying to steal our military tech and buy out power grids for long time.


Not at all. All countries do thier best to undermine competitors and adversaries and yes steal stuff from allies.

My last paragraph was a dig at the left that seemingly sees a racist motive everywhere.

In conclusion both China and Russia are adversarial powers doing everything in thier power to undermine us. Trump is bringing up the Chinese not for racist motives but to deflect from the Russia investigation in order to maintain power which is why he will say the election is illegitimate.


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23 Oct 2018, 3:37 am

sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
As I recall, Spanky threatened the same thing before the last presidential election (which he lost by 3 million votes, but was "elected" anyway).
One year on, Donald Trump is still an illegitimate president

As a republican not a democracy we don’t elect our president by popular vote as that would be unfair to the minority. and states. If we did only wear and east coast would matter and everyone in between would be subjects not citizens who are under the thumb of the coasts.


And yet do we want our collective fate decided by otherwise inconsequential, under populated states?

Yes as we are a republic. Unless you’ll let all those states leave the union? Why should have their fate decided by bunch of liberals on the coast? That’s why Northern California wants to get separate, and it’s why we rebooted against the British. Yet you think a bunch of people in California should decide what happens in Iowa with their say.
California, New York are not the United States they should never get to decide the president alone like you want. Want to change it tell people in those states to disperse across the nation rather then piling up in a few cities.


I never said people in places like Iowa shouldn't have the same voice as coastal states, I just don't like where they seem to be taking us in regard to lack of acceptance toward Americans who aren't lily white, Christian, or straight.
Incidentally, as you and I are both sons of the Pacific Northwest, we actually share a similar regional culture with California. So it's not just California values, it's Pacific Coast values that I'm lauding.


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