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01 Nov 2018, 6:04 pm

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He's right.


And what is your logic? Did you actually read the article?


He's right for the wrong reasons. CNN is a sick joke. It's been blabbing about Russia for 2 years. The media has been lying about foreign policy for so long.


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02 Nov 2018, 7:04 pm

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Since the freedom of the press is protected under the Constitution then perhaps Trump should also name the Constitution as an enemy of the people.


The press should be free to report on facts objectively. If the press willfully and knowingly deceives the people (propaganda), such acts should be illegal and should not be immune by hiding behind the "freedom of the press".


True. Such acts should be illegal except that it would be impossible for the government to enforce this law without imposing their own bias. It would be naive to think the government won't use the law more strongly against reporters who favour their political rivals.


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02 Nov 2018, 8:16 pm

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Since the freedom of the press is protected under the Constitution then perhaps Trump should also name the Constitution as an enemy of the people.


The press should be free to report on facts objectively. If the press willfully and knowingly deceives the people (propaganda), such acts should be illegal and should not be immune by hiding behind the "freedom of the press".


True. Such acts should be illegal except that it would be impossible for the government to enforce this law without imposing their own bias. It would be naive to think the government won't use the law more strongly against reporters who favour their political rivals.


There are already laws against libel. All that a normal public figure has to do is to prove that a statement was made "with actual malice" (i.e., intentionally false) or "with a reckless disregard for the facts". Of course, some public figures are "libel-proof" due to their foul reputations. People of poor personal character like Donald Trump would have a hard time proving damage to a reputation that is already so befouled by fraud, bigotry and the like.

The only substantive change I'd like to see in libel law is punishment for group libels, which are in effect in some European countries and would go a long way to resolving the criticisms in the US about the use of the media for propaganda. Attacks on Mexicans as rapists would then be punishable, along with all the hate posted online attacking blacks, Asians and others. Group libel laws could help foster an atmosphere of civil discourse, rather than the dumbed-down nonsense that constitutes the fascist right.

Periodically you'll read of some antisemite who gets prosecuted under such European laws, usually resulting in a fine. Of course, such laws would only be a help, not a panacea, as fascists are continuing to gain support even in countries with group libel laws. To be more effective, they need to be beefed up even in Europe so that punishment includes a mandatory prison term for the perp.



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02 Nov 2018, 9:25 pm

thoughtbeast wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Magna wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Since the freedom of the press is protected under the Constitution then perhaps Trump should also name the Constitution as an enemy of the people.


The press should be free to report on facts objectively. If the press willfully and knowingly deceives the people (propaganda), such acts should be illegal and should not be immune by hiding behind the "freedom of the press".


True. Such acts should be illegal except that it would be impossible for the government to enforce this law without imposing their own bias. It would be naive to think the government won't use the law more strongly against reporters who favour their political rivals.


There are already laws against libel. All that a normal public figure has to do is to prove that a statement was made "with actual malice" (i.e., intentionally false) or "with a reckless disregard for the facts". Of course, some public figures are "libel-proof" due to their foul reputations. People of poor personal character like Donald Trump would have a hard time proving damage to a reputation that is already so befouled by fraud, bigotry and the like.

The only substantive change I'd like to see in libel law is punishment for group libels, which are in effect in some European countries and would go a long way to resolving the criticisms in the US about the use of the media for propaganda. Attacks on Mexicans as rapists would then be punishable, along with all the hate posted online attacking blacks, Asians and others. Group libel laws could help foster an atmosphere of civil discourse, rather than the dumbed-down nonsense that constitutes the fascist right.

Periodically you'll read of some antisemite who gets prosecuted under such European laws, usually resulting in a fine. Of course, such laws would only be a help, not a panacea, as fascists are continuing to gain support even in countries with group libel laws. To be more effective, they need to be beefed up even in Europe so that punishment includes a mandatory prison term for the perp.


Propaganda - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

Yeah, but no, I'm thinking about misrepresenting and willfully misleading the public. A great example, I think, was the koi feeding misrepresentation of Trump and Abe. That "editing" was done purposely. Lying.