The ever growing definition of "nazism"

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21 Feb 2019, 3:27 pm

This has been going on for as long as I remember which was back in the 60’s. I have never liked it. Nazi as an insult has lost it’s power. The overuse of the term has destroyed all context both in understanding how uniquely evil the Nazis were and are and how bad people wrongly described as Nazis often are.

Related is another becoming meaningless overused euphemism “Neo-Nazi”. Either one is a Nazi or one is not. Most facists, racists, nationalists, and authoritarians are not Nazis. If you would gladly want to see Jews and blacks etc exterminated, want America to be like Nazi Germany etc but do not have the power to do anything about it at the moment you are not neo anything, you are a Nazi.

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21 Feb 2019, 4:19 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:

There is virtually nothing that can be compared to a true Nazi in their evilness.

I don't use the term lightly.

I think Trump is a dick-schmuck----but I wouldn't call him a Nazi.

But kraft trump is “literally hitler” as the left says. So I guess there’s a super old hitler wearing a trump mask sitting in the White House :roll:

Well not the entire left, I don't say that. I'd say people involved in the Nazi Party are nazis...trump isn't active in the nazi party therefore it's inaccurate to say he's a nazi or 'literally hitler', though I could see a vague comparison as both care (or in Hitlers case cared) a great deal about power and popularity.

Also though actual nazis do largely like trump...that doesn't make trump a nazi, I think some people jump to conclusions and that's on both sides the right and left.

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21 Feb 2019, 4:23 pm

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Schools and news media has currently redefined the political spectrum placing Nazism into the right wing, and people are eating up this s**t like it's some historical fact instead of a retroactive bastardization of history.

Nazism has always been on the right of the political spectrum(even according to Hitler himself)...even so that hardly means everyone on the right is a nazi or is like a nazi. Also litterally every single neo nazi is a right winger...the schools and media aren't making it up that is if they are even teaching students about neo-nazis/white supremacy they certainly didn't teach about that when I was in school.

Basically it is a historical fact and even neo nazis acknowledge it....I mean seriously call a neo nazi a left winger, liberal or socialist and see what they say.

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21 Feb 2019, 4:31 pm

There is a documentary on Netflix 'White Right: Meeting the Enemy' You can hear from real life nazis and white supremacists all about nazism, what they believe in and how they identify politically.

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21 Feb 2019, 4:49 pm

"Nazi" means anything to the right of Chairman Mao.

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21 Feb 2019, 5:04 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

This has been going on for as long as I remember which was back in the 60’s. I have never like it. Nazi as an insult has lost it’s power. The overuse of the term has destroyed all context both in understanding how uniquely evil the Nazi were and are and how bad people wrongly described as Nazis often are.

Related is another becoming meaningless overused euphemism “Neo-Nazi”. Either one is a Nazi or one is not. Most facists, racists, nationalists, and authoritarians are not Nazis. If you would gladly want to see Jews and blacks etc exterminated, want America to be like Nazi Germany etc but do not have the power to do anything about it at the moment you are not neo anything, you are a Nazi.

Well neo nazi, technically means 'new' nazi...to distinguish between historical nazis and current day people who identify as nazis. But I see your point a nazi is really just a nazi.

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21 Feb 2019, 5:24 pm

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Does right wing mean the same in Germany as it does in the US? I just don't see how Nazism and Libertarian can be considered both right wing if they're nothing alike.

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21 Feb 2019, 6:13 pm

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Nazis put themselves in the right wing, that's how they identify. Nazis were never on the left.

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21 Feb 2019, 6:52 pm

Nazis and Communists were mortal enemies to each other in Germany. Communists are universally seen as being on the "left."

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21 Feb 2019, 7:56 pm

National socialist party
Nazis were socialists
Socialism is left wing no?
Take away the racism and genocide and what’s left is socialism. Placing the group above the individual. State run companies, state sponsored jobs mich like FDR did in the 30s.
State run projects to bring jobs etc.
They certainly weren’t for limited government and individual freedoms.

Sweetleaf I’m sorry I didn’t mean all thenleft
I just see it a lot on news, media and Facebook.

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21 Feb 2019, 7:57 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Nazis and Communists were mortal enemies to each other in Germany. Communists are universally seen as being on the "left."

That's it? The political spectrum is just "communism" vs "not communism"?

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21 Feb 2019, 8:05 pm

Where did I ever say that?

I was pointing out the fact that the Nazis and the Communists were diametrically opposed to each other in Germany circa 1932.

Nazis=Extreme Right; Communists=Extreme Left.

I am both anti-Nazi and anti-Communist. I'm anti fanatic about anything.

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21 Feb 2019, 8:38 pm

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"The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum"

"However, the assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power."

"Despite having declared, at various times, “I am a socialist,” “We are socialists,” and similar avowals, on a personal level Hitler displayed little regard for the actual tenets of socialism, or, for that matter, socialists themselves."

"The plain truth, writes Historian Richard J. Evans in The Coming of the Third Reich, was that Hitler and his party saw socialism, communism, and leftism generally as inimical to everything they hoped to achieve"

Snopes Fact Check: Were the Nazis socialists?

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21 Feb 2019, 10:57 pm

But all socialist nations do that. They all end up in totalitarian regimes. Socialism is just an idea used by power hungry people go get power. It’s a pipe dream. Star Trek will never happen, utopia is impossible. So what we get is socialism gives ultimate power to those in the government and ultimate power corrupts ultimately.

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21 Feb 2019, 11:27 pm

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They were not a socialist party, it was just what they called themselves. They hated socialism and their policies were fascistic, not socialist. Read the bloody article and learn some history.

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21 Feb 2019, 11:34 pm

Yep....that’s the way socialism invariably manifests.

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