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23 Feb 2019, 1:23 am

Fnord wrote:
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Why start a thread at all if you have nuthin' to say?
There seems to be a lot of this on WP. Start a thread and watch how people react...
If there was a rule against it, then I dare say that there would be only two moderators and a half-dozen regular members left.



I mean I figured the biggest reason to post a topic on the internet was, see what responses you get.


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23 Feb 2019, 5:50 pm

The irony is that the particular attention-seeker most recently in the news has just lost his job/income, his celebrity status, his credibility, his fan base, and many real friends who feel betrayed.

He will probably serve some jail time as an example to others.

His foolish stunt has cost him everything.


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23 Feb 2019, 6:05 pm

I suspect Smollet will not have done himself any favours as an openly gay black man who has completely lost respect in the black and gay communities. Prison is going to be very lonely for him.



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23 Feb 2019, 6:20 pm

I agree.

Of those he has hurt, he has hurt himself the most.


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24 Feb 2019, 7:41 am

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Well gee whiz.

Folks who falsely claim to be victims of crimes do so ..to get attention/sympathy. Well duhhhhhh….iz dat doh?

Anyone with common sense would kinda assume that that would be the reason.


Now that you have gone to all this great length (including linking to a long lengthy link) just to tell us all that "water is wet" , do you have an actual point to make?

Or are you just waisting our time by stating the obvious?


There's the other aspect in which someone claims to be a victim of a crime to frame a person or a group.



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24 Feb 2019, 8:19 am

EzraS wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well gee whiz.

Folks who falsely claim to be victims of crimes do so ..to get attention/sympathy. Well duhhhhhh….iz dat doh?

Anyone with common sense would kinda assume that that would be the reason.


Now that you have gone to all this great length (including linking to a long lengthy link) just to tell us all that "water is wet" , do you have an actual point to make?

Or are you just waisting our time by stating the obvious?


There's the other aspect in which someone claims to be a victim of a crime to frame a person or a group.


:lol:

Yes.
Both Fnord, and I, seem to have overlooked the obvious.

Yes, among many other possible motives that Smollett may have had for staging this crazy stunt, there is indeed that obvious one: which was the polltical :to cast aspersions upon Trump supporters as a group.



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24 Feb 2019, 9:17 am

Another reason not mentioned yet is to gain narcissistic supply. Social media and forums are narcissists / sociopaths training / playing grounds.


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24 Feb 2019, 11:00 am

naturalplastic wrote:
EzraS wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well gee whiz.

Folks who falsely claim to be victims of crimes do so ..to get attention/sympathy. Well duhhhhhh….iz dat doh?

Anyone with common sense would kinda assume that that would be the reason.


Now that you have gone to all this great length (including linking to a long lengthy link) just to tell us all that "water is wet" , do you have an actual point to make?

Or are you just waisting our time by stating the obvious?


There's the other aspect in which someone claims to be a victim of a crime to frame a person or a group.


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Yes.
Both Fnord, and I, seem to have overlooked the obvious.

Yes, among many other possible motives that Smollett may have had for staging this crazy stunt, there is indeed that obvious one: which was the polltical :to cast aspersions upon Trump supporters as a group.

He wanted more money.

He was reportedly making $65,000 per episode.

Season 5 had 11 episodes.

So, he was only making 11 * 65,000 = $715,000/yr.


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28 Feb 2019, 10:05 pm

$15,000 per week?!

I may faint.


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01 Mar 2019, 9:33 am

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$15,000 per week?! I may faint.
You'll have conniptions at this: $715,000 per year comes out to $343.75 per hour!

(Based on 40 hours per week for 52 weeks.)



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01 Mar 2019, 12:01 pm

I would imagine more motivation comes from the fact that a lot of people get significant gain from such claims in various ways and don't get caught. When someone gets caught it's mostly an idiot who doesn't think things out. I would say among all reasons, a more popular one is political motivation, spray-paint cars and walls with white supremacy crap and tag it "Power to Trump", all done at the hands of a left-wing activist to "show how racist Trumps base is". (I mention this because a black guy actually got caught doing this, little did he know he was being recorded by a street camera) * The thing is, how much of this comes from people who don't get caught. If the guy were simply white, you wouldn't have been able to tell it was a hoax.



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31 May 2019, 11:24 am

Weeks before charges against “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett were dropped, the Chicago Police Department was reportedly told by Cook County prosecutors to end the criminal investigation into allegations Smollett orchestrated a hate crime hoax, newly released documents show.

The directive was among the more than 400 pages of case reports, arrest files and supplementary files pertaining to the Smollett criminal investigation made public Thursday after a March ruling by Cook County Judge Steven Watkins.

Among the redacted reports, were notes from two detectives who said the Cook County State's Attorney's Office informed them on Feb. 28 -- just one week after Smollett turned himself in -- they could “no longer investigate the crime.”


Source: Chicago police told not to 'investigate' Jussie Smollett weeks before charges dropped, documents reveal

There is a story here that hasn't been told and it all centers on "Why lie about being a crime victim"?
Were others involved in the plan or was this just Smollett's idea in the first place?


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31 May 2019, 6:36 pm

obviously a vast conspiracy launched by the DNC. Or by the reptoids. Or by the Rothchildes.



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01 Jun 2019, 8:27 am

Prosecutors struggled over how to describe their reasoning for dropping all charges against actor Jussie Smollett. In an email sent to prosecutors by Smollett’s lawyer the day before the charges were dropped March 26, the lawyer, Patricia Holmes, suggested they say Smollett is a “dedicated citizen of Chicago who volunteers and contributes regularly in the Chicago area community," the New York Times reported.

Foxx had recused herself from the case, citing false rumors that she was related to Smollett. Previous explanations suggested she recused over contact she had with Smollett family members during the investigation.... she was told by an ethics officer that she “had to do it.”

According to the Times story, the state's attorney's office and the defense lawyer traded a series of emails in which they tried to neutralize the language so Smollett would neither be depicted as innocent or guilty of staging the alleged attack, and also tried to scale back his depiction as a contributor to the community.

In March, Foxx's office said she hadn't "formally" recused herself and had used the term in a "colloquial" sense rather than a legal sense.


Source: Smollett documents show prosecutors debated how to explain dropping of charges

So if I am reading this right. The head prosecutor was told by the departments ethics officer that she had to recuse herself from the case. [The exact reason why may not be known.] Then the prosecutor claimed [in the media] she was recused from the decision making process. But when the contrary facts started to come to light, she changed her story and claimed she didn't really recuse herself, she only meant it in a "colloquial" sense. That is a lot of double speak.


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01 Oct 2019, 12:24 pm

and the saga continues on and on ..............

Jussie Smollett hit back at a social media user who compared his alleged hate crime hoax to a 12-year-old girl who recently admitted she made up a story about how her dreadlocks were cut off by her white schoolmates.

Journalist Derrick Jackson posted a comment on Instagram that read, "Jussie really is a trendsetter," insinuating that the young girl, Amari Allen, took a page from Smollett's alleged book of lies.

She claimed three white boys cut her hair while on the playground at the Immanuel Christian School in Springfield, Va., but later confessed the incident didn't really happen after security footage couldn't corroborate her story.

In January, Smollett told police he was attacked by two masked men as he was walking home from a Chicago Subway sandwich shop at approximately 2 a.m. The openly gay actor alleged that the masked men beat him, taunted him with homophobic and racial slurs and yelled, "This is MAGA country."

In February, police determined that Smollett's masked assailants were brothers Abel and Ola Osundairo, who trained Smollett and worked with him on "Empire." Authorities also identified the brothers as those on surveillance video purchasing the rope that was reportedly hung around Jussie's neck during the alleged attack.

It was determined by police in late March that the former "Empire" star staged the racist hate crime he endured while shooting the show in Chicago.

Smollett was charged with filing a false police report, but those charges were dropped by Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx a few weeks later.

After Allen [12-year-old girl] admitted the truth, her family issued an apology but says that she has been a victim of bullying at the school.

“To those young boys and their parents, we sincerely apologize for the pain and anxiety these allegations have caused,” the family said in a statement. “To the administrators and families of Immanuel Christian School, we are sorry for the damage this incident has done to trust within the school family and the undue scorn it has brought to the school.”

Source: Jussie Smollett slams comparison to 12-year-old girl who lied about classmates cutting her dreadlocks


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01 Oct 2019, 2:20 pm

When I was in 7th grade, some boy said I stabbed him with a plastic fork and it got stuck in his neck. I actually believed I did it because I had been told in the past I do things I am not aware of and have no memory of it. Then I find out in my freshman year it never happened and he only made it up to sound cool.

My mom told me if she had known about that story, she would have told me it didn't happen and I would have been arrested for assault and charged and gone to juvi hall.


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