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01 Mar 2019, 3:49 pm

I was offered a late term abortion when it became clear that I would need a wheelchair at the end of my pregnancy.

I was about seven months along.

The doctor looked sick when he offered. He said he would not do it if I accepted but he was legally required to inform me. I felt sick hearing it.

My son was born via elective c section at 39 weeks when they told me I would need to start using the wheelchair. I used the chair for about a week and then started walking again. No big deal.

Five years later and I am okay. My son is twice the size of a regular kid, but healthy. Just built like a wrestler.

So uh...yeah, no. He wasn’t a harlequin baby or anything (don’t look that up). I wasn’t about to die. And yes, I could have had one if I wanted. Virginia folks. Slow clap.



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01 Mar 2019, 9:15 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:
I was offered a late term abortion when it became clear that I would need a wheelchair at the end of my pregnancy.

I was about seven months along.

The doctor looked sick when he offered. He said he would not do it if I accepted but he was legally required to inform me. I felt sick hearing it.

My son was born via elective c section at 39 weeks when they told me I would need to start using the wheelchair. I used the chair for about a week and then started walking again. No big deal.

Five years later and I am okay. My son is twice the size of a regular kid, but healthy. Just built like a wrestler.

So uh...yeah, no. He wasn’t a harlequin baby or anything (don’t look that up). I wasn’t about to die. And yes, I could have had one if I wanted. Virginia folks. Slow clap.

Why would having to use a wheelchair be a reason to terminate a pregnancy? Was it because he was a very large baby? My one brother was 13 pounds at birth!



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01 Mar 2019, 9:33 pm

AnneOleson wrote:
SocOfAutism wrote:
I was offered a late term abortion when it became clear that I would need a wheelchair at the end of my pregnancy.

I was about seven months along.

The doctor looked sick when he offered. He said he would not do it if I accepted but he was legally required to inform me. I felt sick hearing it.

My son was born via elective c section at 39 weeks when they told me I would need to start using the wheelchair. I used the chair for about a week and then started walking again. No big deal.

Five years later and I am okay. My son is twice the size of a regular kid, but healthy. Just built like a wrestler.

So uh...yeah, no. He wasn’t a harlequin baby or anything (don’t look that up). I wasn’t about to die. And yes, I could have had one if I wanted. Virginia folks. Slow clap.

Why would having to use a wheelchair be a reason to terminate a pregnancy? Was it because he was a very large baby? My one brother was 13 pounds at birth!


Yeah that seems odd...I mean I am pro-choice, but I do agree with some kind of limit but its also a very personal issue so its hard to say exactly what that should be. I mean it is true the vast majority of abortions are before a fetus has developed...but when its up into the 3 months before pregnancy I'd say there should be some kind of emergency or major risk of health to the mom and/or baby. Having to use a wheelchair for a time seems odd. I wonder if they thought it was so severe she'd be wheelchair bound for the rest of her life.

And now I have to look up the thing I'm advised not to look up.


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01 Mar 2019, 9:53 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
AnneOleson wrote:
SocOfAutism wrote:
I was offered a late term abortion when it became clear that I would need a wheelchair at the end of my pregnancy.

I was about seven months along.

The doctor looked sick when he offered. He said he would not do it if I accepted but he was legally required to inform me. I felt sick hearing it.

My son was born via elective c section at 39 weeks when they told me I would need to start using the wheelchair. I used the chair for about a week and then started walking again. No big deal.

Five years later and I am okay. My son is twice the size of a regular kid, but healthy. Just built like a wrestler.

So uh...yeah, no. He wasn’t a harlequin baby or anything (don’t look that up). I wasn’t about to die. And yes, I could have had one if I wanted. Virginia folks. Slow clap.

Why would having to use a wheelchair be a reason to terminate a pregnancy? Was it because he was a very large baby? My one brother was 13 pounds at birth!


Yeah that seems odd...I mean I am pro-choice, but I do agree with some kind of limit but its also a very personal issue so its hard to say exactly what that should be. I mean it is true the vast majority of abortions are before a fetus has developed...but when its up into the 3 months before pregnancy I'd say there should be some kind of emergency or major risk of health to the mom and/or baby. Having to use a wheelchair for a time seems odd. I wonder if they thought it was so severe she'd be wheelchair bound for the rest of her life.

And now I have to look up the thing I'm advised not to look up.

I am pro-choice too, but like you agree with some limits. I’m afraid to look up that expression! You’ll have to explain it to me gently! :D



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03 Mar 2019, 12:22 am

Abortion is a hot button issue, and the right milks it for every thing they can get out of it for political gain. And that includes lying about things such a casually aborting a pregnancy at birth.


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03 Mar 2019, 6:03 pm

The video is right there with Tran saying it when questioned. Denial isn't going to get anyone anywhere.


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03 Mar 2019, 6:27 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
The video is right there with Tran saying it when questioned. Denial isn't going to get anyone anywhere.


Say someone doesn't know they are pregnant up until the point their body starts to get ready for birth. So they go to the hospital with pain or whatever and find out they are having a baby--then they find out something is wrong and if they go through with a birth they might die, or that the baby is not viable and will die soon after birth. They don't put restrictions in a bill like what was described in the video because in these rare situations this option has to be available to a woman, to be able to save her own life or to pre-emptively and mercifully end the life of a baby that will only know a brief life of suffering. If you had read any of the articles of women who have had late term abortions telling their stories you would know that these options need to be available to women because you never know when something in a pregnancy can go wrong, and ultimately the woman and her doctor have to have the legal right to protect her life and health, up to and including abortion. Read the women's stories and try to use some empathy to imagine what it would be like to have to make a decision like that over a wanted baby--because women who get late term abortions are terminating wanted babies, but doing it because they feel it is the best option for themselves and the baby.

Do you personally have the fortitude to watch a tiny newborn suffering terrible agony for days or weeks and then die? If not, then you have no right to condemn others who are confronted with that possibility and choose mercy for their wanted child. If you can't understand that, then you have no compassion in you.



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04 Mar 2019, 12:44 am

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05 Mar 2019, 12:49 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
The video is right there with Tran saying it when questioned. Denial isn't going to get anyone anywhere.


Say someone doesn't know they are pregnant up until the point their body starts to get ready for birth. So they go to the hospital with pain or whatever and find out they are having a baby--then they find out something is wrong and if they go through with a birth they might die, or that the baby is not viable and will die soon after birth. They don't put restrictions in a bill like what was described in the video because in these rare situations this option has to be available to a woman, to be able to save her own life or to pre-emptively and mercifully end the life of a baby that will only know a brief life of suffering. If you had read any of the articles of women who have had late term abortions telling their stories you would know that these options need to be available to women because you never know when something in a pregnancy can go wrong, and ultimately the woman and her doctor have to have the legal right to protect her life and health, up to and including abortion. Read the women's stories and try to use some empathy to imagine what it would be like to have to make a decision like that over a wanted baby--because women who get late term abortions are terminating wanted babies, but doing it because they feel it is the best option for themselves and the baby.

Do you personally have the fortitude to watch a tiny newborn suffering terrible agony for days or weeks and then die? If not, then you have no right to condemn others who are confronted with that possibility and choose mercy for their wanted child. If you can't understand that, then you have no compassion in you.


Are you happy for a baby to be murdered on the day of birth, since you want to talk about compassion. Killing a baby when it's 8-9 months old is murder. If you can't see how this could lead down a dangerous road then there's not a lot I can say.


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05 Mar 2019, 4:45 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
The video is right there with Tran saying it when questioned. Denial isn't going to get anyone anywhere.


Say someone doesn't know they are pregnant up until the point their body starts to get ready for birth. So they go to the hospital with pain or whatever and find out they are having a baby--then they find out something is wrong and if they go through with a birth they might die, or that the baby is not viable and will die soon after birth. They don't put restrictions in a bill like what was described in the video because in these rare situations this option has to be available to a woman, to be able to save her own life or to pre-emptively and mercifully end the life of a baby that will only know a brief life of suffering. If you had read any of the articles of women who have had late term abortions telling their stories you would know that these options need to be available to women because you never know when something in a pregnancy can go wrong, and ultimately the woman and her doctor have to have the legal right to protect her life and health, up to and including abortion. Read the women's stories and try to use some empathy to imagine what it would be like to have to make a decision like that over a wanted baby--because women who get late term abortions are terminating wanted babies, but doing it because they feel it is the best option for themselves and the baby.

Do you personally have the fortitude to watch a tiny newborn suffering terrible agony for days or weeks and then die? If not, then you have no right to condemn others who are confronted with that possibility and choose mercy for their wanted child. If you can't understand that, then you have no compassion in you.


Are you happy for a baby to be murdered on the day of birth, since you want to talk about compassion. Killing a baby when it's 8-9 months old is murder. If you can't see how this could lead down a dangerous road then there's not a lot I can say.


OK so it is that you completely lack compassion for parents and didn't read the women's stories. Got it, no point in communicating further then.



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05 Mar 2019, 6:59 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
The video is right there with Tran saying it when questioned. Denial isn't going to get anyone anywhere.


Say someone doesn't know they are pregnant up until the point their body starts to get ready for birth. So they go to the hospital with pain or whatever and find out they are having a baby--then they find out something is wrong and if they go through with a birth they might die, or that the baby is not viable and will die soon after birth. They don't put restrictions in a bill like what was described in the video because in these rare situations this option has to be available to a woman, to be able to save her own life or to pre-emptively and mercifully end the life of a baby that will only know a brief life of suffering. If you had read any of the articles of women who have had late term abortions telling their stories you would know that these options need to be available to women because you never know when something in a pregnancy can go wrong, and ultimately the woman and her doctor have to have the legal right to protect her life and health, up to and including abortion. Read the women's stories and try to use some empathy to imagine what it would be like to have to make a decision like that over a wanted baby--because women who get late term abortions are terminating wanted babies, but doing it because they feel it is the best option for themselves and the baby.

Do you personally have the fortitude to watch a tiny newborn suffering terrible agony for days or weeks and then die? If not, then you have no right to condemn others who are confronted with that possibility and choose mercy for their wanted child. If you can't understand that, then you have no compassion in you.


Are you happy for a baby to be murdered on the day of birth, since you want to talk about compassion. Killing a baby when it's 8-9 months old is murder. If you can't see how this could lead down a dangerous road then there's not a lot I can say.

If you kill a pregnant woman regardless of how long you get charged with murder of the baby too. So the left does consider it a life and thus murder to kill the baby inside the mom. So if the woman wants it it’s a human and if the woman doesn’t want it it’s not human. How can that be?


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06 Mar 2019, 12:36 am

sly279 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
The video is right there with Tran saying it when questioned. Denial isn't going to get anyone anywhere.


Say someone doesn't know they are pregnant up until the point their body starts to get ready for birth. So they go to the hospital with pain or whatever and find out they are having a baby--then they find out something is wrong and if they go through with a birth they might die, or that the baby is not viable and will die soon after birth. They don't put restrictions in a bill like what was described in the video because in these rare situations this option has to be available to a woman, to be able to save her own life or to pre-emptively and mercifully end the life of a baby that will only know a brief life of suffering. If you had read any of the articles of women who have had late term abortions telling their stories you would know that these options need to be available to women because you never know when something in a pregnancy can go wrong, and ultimately the woman and her doctor have to have the legal right to protect her life and health, up to and including abortion. Read the women's stories and try to use some empathy to imagine what it would be like to have to make a decision like that over a wanted baby--because women who get late term abortions are terminating wanted babies, but doing it because they feel it is the best option for themselves and the baby.

Do you personally have the fortitude to watch a tiny newborn suffering terrible agony for days or weeks and then die? If not, then you have no right to condemn others who are confronted with that possibility and choose mercy for their wanted child. If you can't understand that, then you have no compassion in you.


Are you happy for a baby to be murdered on the day of birth, since you want to talk about compassion. Killing a baby when it's 8-9 months old is murder. If you can't see how this could lead down a dangerous road then there's not a lot I can say.

If you kill a pregnant woman regardless of how long you get charged with murder of the baby too. So the left does consider it a life and thus murder to kill the baby inside the mom. So if the woman wants it it’s a human and if the woman doesn’t want it it’s not human. How can that be?


Have you read any of the stories from women who have had late term abortions where they explain why they had to get them and how hard it was because they wanted their pregnancies? If you want to understand, read the experiences of people who have been through it and then maybe you will have a better understanding of why abortion needs to be available as an option to pregnant women.

How can you judge people when you won't even listen to them trying to explain their situations? Actually read some women's stories and then come back to this thread and let us know what you think about what you read.

Here's one to get you started: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/n ... -abortion/

Read that and then tell me what you think about it.



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06 Mar 2019, 12:37 am