Keen observation on the effectiveness of walls

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The sad thing is the US is responsible for mexico being so bad. I watched a guy detailing the war on drugs and how some places have removed their drug laws and started helping people and giving them something to live for to get them off of drugs rather than imprisoning them and making their life worse. He claimed that mexico wasn't that bad until the US cut off their medical opiates forcing them to enforce drug laws and a war on drugs, they was the huge turning point where crime started exploding in the US and mexico....and every country who adopted the war on drugs. I'm all for helping people, but we do need to help ourselves first, then we can take in more immigrants no problem, we are doing everything bass akwards.

In fact, i'm one of those extremely poor people, my public school was horrible. They taught at such a ridiculously slow rate that I lost interest and started playing around. No intellectual challenge at all. I was gifted in math and they put me in a class for slow students with behavior problems??? Because I could do math in my head and write the answers out without showing my work or using a calculator???

It is, actually, a absolute fact that many people come to the US legally, then overstay their visas.

Sometimes, by accident.

Sometimes, on purpose.

Yes I know, they come in and stay illegally in many different ways. It's not a safe move and we can only prevent so much, so it's wise to do the little bit we can. I don't pretend to have it all worked out, perhaps we could screen the people who made it in illegally, but then....what about the people who came in the legal way, they find that disrespectful when they fraught so hard to come in the legal way when all you have to do is sneak across the border(or however else they may get here and over stay to approved clearance)

There are very few avenues to "legal" immigration these days----other than being sponsored by a company, marrying a citizen, or winning some sort of lottery.

Or applying for asylum.

I don't believe there is a "guest worker" program any longer.

I bet, if you talk to at least 95% of Hondurans (or from any other nation) seeking to immigrate here, you will know that they really don't WANT to come here illegally. It's not something that delights them.

Like I said, I do get the "taking care of our own" argument. It's eminently valid.

But I wish people would put themselves in the heads of the Honduran who is seeking a better life. There is virtually no one who has a criminal intention in coming here. They are either seeking to escape oppression, or find a better life for themselves and their families.

If there was an Ellis Island-type place---and people still wanted to bypass it and come illegally---then I might be extremely skeptical of these peoples' intentions.

It's definitely a fact. But I don't think it means that land crossings aren't a major problem as some have seemed to indicate.

That only points towards, we need to improve our process of immigrants being able to legally enter. One of the issues the though, if you allow everyone to come legally you can potentially flood the system with more unqualified workers and more people on the welfare system. I don't think the majority rich people care about helping people, so it's not as if they will spawn lots of new jobs, we aren't even helping the people who are already poor and uneducated and the market is aiming more towards automation to eliminate a lot of jobs for uneducated people.

If we allow people to just flood in without improving anything about how we operate now, all we will do is dramatically increase our poverty problems. Poverty leads to illegal activity(when no work is available), thus increasing crime rates. If we were to do that we would first need to fix the problems we already have or else we are just escalating our problems. I know that doesn't mean they will all be without skill or education, but what percentage of the people able to come for free will have the skills and education to actually be able to succeed in our country and not just come and be put on welfare?

We could possibly try to fix things here so we could actually take in more people, just letting them in with the current situations will mostly just add to our existing problems.

(I hope this fits.)

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I'll have to look at this later.

I wouldn't mind learning that there are more "avenues" than I previously knew about.

What I suspect, though, is that most "avenues" are closed to people who don't have a professional education, or who have needed job skills which very few US citizens have.

A similar situation to Canada.

It would be nice to have an Ellis Island type place.

And, perhaps, some "intermediate" status between full alienage and the "Green Card." Wherein someone could, through going to school to acquire skills, gain the "Green Card" through education or an apprenticeship-type situation.

Is there any way you could make that chart larger, Fnord?

This forum is for the discussion of news and current events. There is no requirement to post a link to a news story. Discussions of walls, the highly dysfunctional white house, and criminals tied to potus trump, are all very popular current events topics of discussion these days.

Also, it's funny because it's true.

Just sit back and watch the false accusations continue to crumble, it is quite amusing to watch, what will they dream up next...

False accusations? Crumbling?

Mmmhmm.. that's why trump's associates are going to jail.

Can walls stop planes or boats? Because that's how most people get into the States illegally, planes and boats, not by walking across a border.

There's a reason why there's been hundreds of miles of fencing and around 20,000 border patrol agents before Trump.

The people arriving by plane and boat are those who have entered from all over the world.

What's really being said is the illegals who entered the US from overseas didn't get there on foot.

Those who do go across the border on land aren't traceable like those who came in from overseas who have commercial travel, passport and visa records etc.

Let's say 100 people cross the border on land undetected in one day. No agency is going to have a record of that. They're completely off the grid.

3,145km border to the South, 8,891km border to the North.. I don't see anyone here protesting to build a Northern wall 3x the length at likely more than 3x the cost to "secure your borders!! !!" Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

My best guess is that it's because the stereotypical Canadian looks more like people "from places like Norway," than from "s**thole countries."

Otherwise this 8,891km long hole in your border wall plans doesn't make a whole lot of security sense given the logic wall supporters are using to justify a Southern border wall.

Aside: You'd think Southern wall supporters might use some sort of actual justification for their monument to racism, like walling off America from the Millions of climate change refugees that are sure to come in a few decades. Guess they're not that smart. But instead it's "MAGA MAGA!!" full steam ahead.