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30 May 2019, 11:17 am

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Mueller is a proven liar and crook. He's just scared the establishment will come for him.


And what is your logic?


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30 May 2019, 12:27 pm

Mueller pushed the lies that led to the invasion of Iraq, AA. It's amusing how liberals conveniently forget his criminal past. Democrats were vehemently opposed to Bush's aggressive regime change foreign policy, but were silent when Obama took us from two to seven wars in the Middle East. Such hypocrisy!


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30 May 2019, 2:04 pm

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Most Americans had never supported Trump, and he was only elected the first time due to accident of the Electoral College, and machinations by Putin in order to destroy his nemesis, Clinton (who was admittedly a lousy candidate). Chances of a second Trump victory looks slim.


Nearly as many people voted for Trump as Clinton with like a 2.5% difference so it can't realistically be said he was unpopular. Also there are hour long youtube video compilations of democrats and CNN type media saying with abundant assurance that "Donald Trump will never ever become president". I don't think the democrats can afford to expect he will lose like they did last time. Also it seems kind of obvious they are trying to impeach him to try preventing reelection. Although I heard that after Bill Clinton was impeached his approval ratings skyrocketed. But as Polosi recently said they don't have anything ironclad enough to proceed. After nearly three years that is. I think if they keep this thing going the way it's been going they are going to end up screwing the pooch.


Clinton still got the popular vote. Plus, many Anti-Trump voters either went third party or sat the election outp, or even held their noses and voted for Trump. With a worthwhile candidate, the Dems can beat him hands down.


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30 May 2019, 2:11 pm

There's only one Democrat in the field of candidates I would consider voting for, and that's Tulsi Gabbard. Joe Biden is likely to get the nomination, and is probably likely to lose.


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30 May 2019, 2:21 pm

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There's only one Democrat in the field of candidates I would consider voting for, and that's Tulsi Gabbard. Joe is likely to get the nomination, and is probably likely to lose.


Why? Biden has vast blue collar support. While I'm a Buttigeige guy, Biden is better than Trump.


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30 May 2019, 2:27 pm

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There's only one Democrat in the field of candidates I would consider voting for, and that's Tulsi Gabbard. Joe is likely to get the nomination, and is probably likely to lose.


Why? Biden has vast blue collar support. While I'm a Buttigeige guy, Biden is better than Trump.


For the same reasons Hillary lost. People are fed up with corporatists like Biden. He's pro-war, he's pro-Wall Street, and he's taking money from all the same corporate interests that Hillary was. He may be slightly more likeable than Hillary, which would give a slight edge. It's possible he could win, I suppose, but he's not getting my vote.


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30 May 2019, 2:43 pm

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There's only one Democrat in the field of candidates I would consider voting for, and that's Tulsi Gabbard. Joe is likely to get the nomination, and is probably likely to lose.


Why? Biden has vast blue collar support. While I'm a Buttigeige guy, Biden is better than Trump.


For the same reasons Hillary lost. People are fed up with corporatists like Biden. He's pro-war, he's pro-Wall Street, and he's taking money from all the same corporate interests that Hillary was. He may be slightly more likeable than Hillary, which would give a slight edge. It's possible he could win, I suppose, but he's not getting my vote.


I think you're overestimating this anti-corporist fervor as a political force, especially since Trump has betrayed those political values in the time he's been President. It's an anti-establishment facade anyone could wear to get elected, but then easily can be discarded.


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30 May 2019, 3:50 pm

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There's only one Democrat in the field of candidates I would consider voting for, and that's Tulsi Gabbard. Joe is likely to get the nomination, and is probably likely to lose.


Why? Biden has vast blue collar support. While I'm a Buttigeige guy, Biden is better than Trump.


For the same reasons Hillary lost. People are fed up with corporatists like Biden. He's pro-war, he's pro-Wall Street, and he's taking money from all the same corporate interests that Hillary was. He may be slightly more likeable than Hillary, which would give a slight edge. It's possible he could win, I suppose, but he's not getting my vote.


I think you're overestimating this anti-corporist fervor as a political force, especially since Trump has betrayed those political values in the time he's been President. It's an anti-establishment facade anyone could wear to get elected, but then easily can be discarded.


I don't think I'm overestimating it, really. I'm pretty sure most Americans feel that way to one degree or another. Unfortunately, they have been conditioned to pick a party and stick with it, while condemning the other party for all the problems in the country. This is what I find absurd. Generally, nobody really pays attention to what's really going on. I don't hear Trump's supporters complaining that he's fallen in line with the Military Industrial Complex, any more than Obama's supporters did.

Sure, politicians say all kinds of crazy s**t to get elected, presenting themselves as populists, while lining their pockets with corporate donor money.

"Vote for me!" I'll end wars, go after Wall Street, and stick it to the fossil fuel industry! (Well...maybe after I've built my fifth house. Mansions ain't heap!")


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30 May 2019, 4:11 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
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VegetableMan wrote:
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There's only one Democrat in the field of candidates I would consider voting for, and that's Tulsi Gabbard. Joe is likely to get the nomination, and is probably likely to lose.


Why? Biden has vast blue collar support. While I'm a Buttigeige guy, Biden is better than Trump.


For the same reasons Hillary lost. People are fed up with corporatists like Biden. He's pro-war, he's pro-Wall Street, and he's taking money from all the same corporate interests that Hillary was. He may be slightly more likeable than Hillary, which would give a slight edge. It's possible he could win, I suppose, but he's not getting my vote.


I think you're overestimating this anti-corporist fervor as a political force, especially since Trump has betrayed those political values in the time he's been President. It's an anti-establishment facade anyone could wear to get elected, but then easily can be discarded.


I don't think I'm overestimating it, really. I'm pretty sure most Americans feel that way to one degree or another. Unfortunately, they have been conditioned to pick a party and stick with it, while condemning the other party for all the problems in the country. This is what I find absurd. Generally, nobody really pays attention to what's really going on. I don't hear Trump's supporters complaining that he's fallen in line with the Military Industrial Complex, any more than Obama's supporters did.

Sure, politicians say all kinds of crazy s**t to get elected, presenting themselves as populists, while lining their pockets with corporate donor money.

"Vote for me!" I'll end wars, go after Wall Street, and stick it to the fossil fuel industry! (Well...maybe after I've built my fifth house. Mansions ain't heap!")


As I said, I'm a mayor Pete guy.


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30 May 2019, 4:25 pm

Pete has zero policies apart from war.


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30 May 2019, 7:52 pm

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Pete has zero policies apart from war.


Who says he wants war with anyone?


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30 May 2019, 8:00 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Most Americans had never supported Trump, and he was only elected the first time due to accident of the Electoral College, and machinations by Putin in order to destroy his nemesis, Clinton (who was admittedly a lousy candidate). Chances of a second Trump victory looks slim.


Nearly as many people voted for Trump as Clinton with like a 2.5% difference so it can't realistically be said he was unpopular. Also there are hour long youtube video compilations of democrats and CNN type media saying with abundant assurance that "Donald Trump will never ever become president". I don't think the democrats can afford to expect he will lose like they did last time. Also it seems kind of obvious they are trying to impeach him to try preventing reelection. Although I heard that after Bill Clinton was impeached his approval ratings skyrocketed. But as Polosi recently said they don't have anything ironclad enough to proceed. After nearly three years that is. I think if they keep this thing going the way it's been going they are going to end up screwing the pooch.


Clinton still got the popular vote. Plus, many Anti-Trump voters either went third party or sat the election outp, or even held their noses and voted for Trump. With a worthwhile candidate, the Dems can beat him hands down.


I still think it would be in their best interest to put all their focus on their traditional duties at this point.



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30 May 2019, 8:01 pm

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Pete has zero policies apart from war.


Who says he wants war with anyone?


He's a corporate Dem. He'll do the bidding of the Military Industrial Complex. Did Eight years of Obama teach you nothing?


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30 May 2019, 10:23 pm

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Most Americans had never supported Trump, and he was only elected the first time due to accident of the Electoral College, and machinations by Putin in order to destroy his nemesis, Clinton (who was admittedly a lousy candidate). Chances of a second Trump victory looks slim.


Nearly as many people voted for Trump as Clinton with like a 2.5% difference so it can't realistically be said he was unpopular. Also there are hour long youtube video compilations of democrats and CNN type media saying with abundant assurance that "Donald Trump will never ever become president". I don't think the democrats can afford to ident he will lose like they did last time. Also it seems kind of obvious they are trying to impeach him to try preventing reelection. Although I heard that after Bill Clinton was impeached his approval ratings skyrocketed. But as Polosi recently said they don't have anything ironclad enough to proceed. After nearly three years that is. I think if they keep this thing going the way it's been going they are going to end up screwing the pooch.


Clinton still got the popular vote. Plus, many Anti-Trump voters either went third party or sat the election outp, or even held their noses and voted for Trump. With a worthwhile candidate, the Dems can beat him hands down.


I still think it would be in their best interest to put all their focus on their traditional duties at this point.


So they're supposed to just ignore that the sitting President got elected with help from our enemies?


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30 May 2019, 10:28 pm

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Pete has zero policies apart from war.


Who says he wants war with anyone?


He's a corporate Dem. He'll do the bidding of the Military Industrial Complex. Did Eight years of Obama teach you nothing?


These are human beings, not cookie cutters.
Why are you still so enthused about Trump who has betrayed all his promises?


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30 May 2019, 11:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
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Pete has zero policies apart from war.


Who says he wants war with anyone?


He's a corporate Dem. He'll do the bidding of the Military Industrial Complex. Did Eight years of Obama teach you nothing?


These are human beings, not cookie cutters.
Why are you still so enthused about Trump who has betrayed all his promises?


Why would you ask VegetableMan a question like that?